I thought the movie was interesting but felt that i would have been made a lot better and I wonder why the prisoners all ran through the minefield instead of the front gate.
Jordan-- maybe the prisoners didn't actually do that. Maybe the director had them do that just so they could do explosion shots??
lol Michael bay....
and the movie is impressive for its time and pulls at the human emotions making it relatable and more appealing
This movie really got me thinking about how much work and preparation goes into something like a revolt or an escape. It made me feel like even with less "brains" in the camp the escape was made hard for them, strength doesn't rely on a brain it just acts on impulse without it. I really wondered why when they were told to be free and flee why they spread in all different directions instead of focusing on one direction like the main gate.
Maybe they went in all directions because it was like a mad dash and the people who weren't prepared were panicking?
I agree with Dylan I think that they ran out all around the camp because everyone wanted out as quickly as they could.
Adding to what Dylan said a lot of people weren't prepared, only a select group knew of the plan to escape, maybe the ones that weren't informed didn't know that the main gate was there best option. The people that didn't know about the plan before it happened didn't have time to think about the best strategy of escape, the only thing they could do was hope for the best and try to get out and to safety as quickly as possible.
I agree with you I was thinking the same thing
Think: I think the movie was very interesting and it showed in simple terms of no extreme detail how terrible it was. I think that there is a lot of work to be done to make it more accurate, but it was good enough for letting younger people watch it. I think looking at the real people they were so brave and were not complete broken which is amazing.
Feel: I feel that they could have been way smarter in their planning. Also I feel that the movie made is seem like the SS were doing a bad job and it was extremely easy to escape. I feel if I was one of them I would believe it is to good to be true. I probably would leave once they all started to leave, but not before.
Wonder: I wonder why none of them really thought about how you could show 600 people to navigate the mine fields, also why did the people all spread out making it harder to go through fences and making a bigger target for gun fire and victims to the mines. Why did some people not leave, they would die if they stayed, why not take the risk.
Im pretty sure that they planned on leaving through the front gate....so they did not feel obligated to think about the mine fields and i also think that overtime in a camp like this..people lose hope and faith in oneself's ability and beliefs.
I totally wonder your wonder- Why didn't they leave? They would have died either way. It's heartbreaking but the only thing that makes sense is they stood frozen out of fear. It's too bad they sentenced themselves to death by not running.
In your wonder you ask why some people stayed and didn't leave. Although it was not explained, there are many reasons why they did this. Perhaps they believed that the escape attempt wouldn't succeed and thought that if the remained they would show loyalty and be shown mercy by the SS. Another possibility is that they did not believe that they were physically capable of making the escape and thought there chances were better if they remained, or even that they just didn't want to continue knowing that their family was dead. There are so many possibilities, each person probably had their own reasons and decided that not attempting to escape was the best decision for them.
While we were watching Escape From Sobibor I was really thinking that the movie wasn't portraying the story very well. They made the camp seem luxurious compared to the books we've been reading. After having a conversation with the class, we decided that maybe this camp was nicer. I felt that the prisoners were really smart in their plan to escape- they were very successful and I found it interesting. However, I wonder why the prisoners had to go around killing the SS officers since it seems like they could've gotten all 600 prisoners to rush the gates.
I agree. They seemed very priveliged compared to what I always pictured when I was reading books about the concentration camps.
I wonder if this camp was actually nicer than others or if it was just glamorized for the movie.
Me too christian, Good Minds think alike :)
I was also slightly stunned to see how relaxed they made the camp look, almost like a mockery. However, it did seem to become more intense and strict as the film went on.
I agree with ^ mk's comment. It felt too relaxed at first.
I agree it was pretty relaxed in the beginning.
I completely agree that the camp was too relaxed, especially for a death camp.
The Jews wanted to avenge their families. That's part of why they killed the SS. Also to make an impact. It was powerful shiz to Kill your families and hundreds of others assassins. I think the film portrayed the movie just fine, you only have to look beyond the lyrics and find their meaning. The film is an art form and it's what you make of it.
Rushing all 600 to the gates without killing any SS or attaining any sense of defense would be a death sentence in my opinion.
Yeah I agree, the camp seemed a lot nicer and a lot less strict compared to the actual stories told by survivors.
Yeah, I've thought about this too. It seems to me that they probably tried to be as accurate as possible, this being a film about a real life event. I can only conclude that the camp wasn't nearly as brutal as others.
The thing that most surprised me was their clothes. The prisoners seemed to have pretty good clothes, not the rags described in 5 chimneys.
I think that even though the movie was old, still held a strong representation of what happened at the camps. I imagined the actual events happening with in the camps to be more violent and frequently occurring but we still got the general gist and message. I also did not think that the men and women were allowed to be together and develop relationships or ever see the camps holding a jewish town like community. More of like a sweat shop in my eyes.
I feel impressed by the Jewish Pride through out the holocaust in general. The movie did portray individuals who have given up...but showed that in the end the greater effort prevails.
I wonder if there are other smaller successful group escapes similar to Sobibor that are documented.
Yea, the prisoners in this movie really had a lot of liberties and I think that that greatly contributed to the mostly successful escape.
I think that because of the small number of Jewish prisoners, they were easier to survey, and therefore allowed a little more freedom. I'm sure that there were other successful group escapes, but are not very well documented, because the records were either destroyed or the camps were wiped from existence.
The movie definitely did not show as much violence at the camps probably had, but I am glad that it did not show it because I do not know if I could have been able to handle watching it-too painful!
I also didn't know/think that men and women were allowed in the same blocks as each other, maybe its because the camp was a lot smaller and there wasn't enough room to split everyone up.
I was really stunned and also inspired by this movie. I thought that it was actually a good movie that was well made for the most part. I was soo amazed at how cleanly the men organized the assassinations and how smoothly they went. I think that it was amazing how the plan was not destroyed and that the S.S. men only found out when it was too late. I felt really nervous for the escapees the whole time. I thought that any minute something could go wrong and all their work would have been for nothing. I always felt really sad when there were scenes showing how the Nazi's would just mow people down with their machine guns. I also feel like this camp was one of the camps where the prisoners were treated a little better than those at Auschwitz or Birkenau and that that contributed to the success of the escape. I really wonder why the men with the guns did not shoot all the guards in the tower first thing. The guards in the towers killed many of the people that tried to escape and I think that if that had been done, that then more of the prisoners would have made it to the woods. I also wonder why some peoplle just stood there when the gates were opened. Where they just paralyzed with fear?
I think that the reason that they remained standing in the same place, because even if they had fled, what did they have left worth living for?
I was also impressed by the quality of the movie. Mrs Clark had made it out to be badly done, but I actually thought it was pretty decent. I agree that the quality of life contributed to the escape. It looked less intense than the descriptions of Auschwitz-Birkenau.
I thought that the movie was very interesting. The film quality was definitely not to the quality that I think a lot of people are accustomed to today. However, I really did find the message behind everything quite inspiring. I felt that it was a little to lucky how they were able to execute the majority of their plan before something went wrong. I felt the reality of what those people were thinking when the gates opened and they were free, the ones who were "paralyzed." They were ultimately broken. I wonder why this camp only had 600 living prisoners, whereas some of the more famous had thousands.
I also thought that scene of the movie was very interesting when the people stayed standing. I wonder what was going through their minds as it was happening.
They were rocking back and forth, and some were praying (idk if anyone else caught that) but most of them were old. Perhaps some were rabbis. I didn't think they were paralyzed at all. I believe it was their choice to stay. Maybe asking for forgivness of all those involved with killing. Many of the elders were selfless, and many of them stuck to their religion and all in all were too weak to escape.
He was yelling at them "You're free, go, run!" and they resisted him. They pulled away from him. Why? Maybe because they felt internally free and that was enough for them.
The inmates in Sobibor obviously displayed extreme self advocacy. Though all attempts were made to subjugate the Jewish internees and make them less than human, so many people still resisted. Even in ordinary life, someone saying derogatory things about others and, in time, that person can come to believe it. However, the Jewish internees in Sobibor did not allow the propaganda to become real to them. They held on to their right to live and fought for it.
Their confidence in their beliefs consistenly astounded me during the film. It would have been easy for many of them to let what was said and done to them affect their self-perception, but they did not.
I agree you put it very clearly, and eloquently.
I think that this movie portrayed the whole event very well and it taught me a story I would have otherwise not known. Although could be cheesy at times, it was very fascinating and described life at the camps very well. I feel like those people who went and escaped were extremely brave, especially the ones who organized the event. They put so much trust in others and in the end, although some didn't make it, were free and succeeded. I wonder what happened to the other people who survived the camp escape whose lives weren't described in the movie.
I agree, however I think the movie glamorized the whole camp. From what we've been reading, life seemed a lot more rough which wasn't really portrayed in the film.
I agree with what you are saying! The people were willing to do whatever it takes to get freed.
Going off of that though, I think that maybe it might have been glamorized due to Hollywood but at the same time maybe this just goes to show that not every camp was not as bad as the famous Auschwitz.
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Many of the inmates at Sobibor had lost family and friends to the crematories and the gas chambers. However, rather than running outside and killing the nearest S.S. guard, these men waited for a chance to do real damage to their oppressors. The enraged assault of a single German officer would have been a poor revenge for the deaths of so many loved ones. Rather, these people watched and waited for their time to live. This reminds me of the survivor's testimonies form Iwitness. People said that the greatest for of resistance in the camps was to maintain hope and to take care of oneself. The Nazis wanted these people to give in, but they struggled for their right to live. This struggle was their rebellion and honored their lost family.
I think that this movie was very interesting. Although I missed the section from today, from what I have heard I think the movie made the camp seem a lot nicer than what we have previously heard of about other camps. It could have been just because it was a smaller camp, however I'm not entirely sure. I feel like this movie was also very inspiring. It depicted the escape along with its planning very well and showed just how brave these people were. I wonder if this camp was actually nicer than others or if it was just made to seem so in the film.
Yeah in comparison to what five chimneys described it seemed much better! I wonder why? Maybe because after that is escape happened the regulations of all camps became much stricter to prevent future break outs.
Think: I think Sobibor was a powerful film. It showed the amount of courage the Jews had in order to get freedom. As it was shown in the film, many of the main characters died trying to bring liberation to the camp. Fortunutely/Unfortunately, 300 out of the 600 people sucessful escaped the Sobibor camp.
Feel: I feel a sense of happiness and saddiness to the amount of Jews that were able to sucessfully escape. It must have felt so freeing and exliterating to finally know you're free, but sadily so many died before they even got the forest. They were either killed by Germanies or land mines located by the barbwire fences.
Wonder: I wonder how many thousands or millions of Jews were killed at the Sobibor camp before the escape happened?
I feel the same way! The fact that half of the camp got out is amazing, but that still means that 300 people didn't and that's troubling
Courage definitely played a powerful part in this movie and historical event. But yeah I agree! People were so close to freedom that they could almost touch it... then they were ripped away and killed. There was even one lady that was screaming because everyone was trying to get passed the barbed fences and blinded by the sight of freedom they crushed her into it. I can't imagine the suffering of those unfortunate people before this group of revolutionists. I wonder if there were other major attempts to get out before them...
I agree with you and the other comments by Sarah and Eli, however, I also feel like the 300 people who got killed by the Germans while escaping also tapped into sacrifice, whether it was obvious or not. It is sad to say, but they kept the guards occupied with killing them rather than shooting and killing everyone.
Something that perhaps wasn't mentioned in the film was that only about 50 survived to see the end of the war. The Germans sent search parties out, and most of the escapees were caught and sent back to the camp. That's a real shame, given that they spent so much work trying to get all of them out...
(and to answer your wonderings, about 250,000 were killed in Sobibór before the camp's closing in 1943)
I think the way the movie was filmed made it more realistic and personable. a lot of movies heavily rely on schlock factor or cgi, so the fact the movie was made a long time ago and had rely on the story line made it abetter movie to understand what happened. I feel that it was ending by talking about all the main characters that survived. It's also nice when there's a completeness to something and you're not left in suspense as to what happened to everyone. I wonder why during the escape there were people that refused to leave.
I think they were afraid
I also agree that it is really amazing that they portrayed the events so well even without fancy equipment or cgi.
I agree there was really nothing left for them if they stay.
Think: The fact that the prisoners had an organized escape plan and actually went through with it is truly inspiring. The conditions they were in were supposed to keep them from forming any kind of resistance, to keep them feeling less than human. So the fact that they overcame all the odds and pretty much put up the biggest form of resistance in any camp in incredible.
Feel: I wasn't expecting much from this movie from the way it was described beforehand, but I was blown away by how powerful it was. I feel like the movie did a really good job at portraying some of the horrific acts the Nazis did to the Jews, and it was heartbreaking to see it happen, even though this was just a movie.
Wonder: I wonder why a lot of people stayed in the camp instead of fled in all of the havoc. They could have still been extremely scared r thought the plan wouldn't work. I also wonder what happened to those people. Did the Nazis spare them or kill them anyways?
I wasn't expecting to feel so strongly either! The story was so compelling despite the occasionally borderline cheesy effects and acting.
I totally agree! The story shone through the flawed effects, in the end it was a extremely good film.
Escape from sobibor initially struck me when they all got there and it was for the most part clean, which didn't remind me of the mental imagery I had had for concentration camps (of being dirty, bacteria ridden places.) but you said not to judge too much on set or costumes ect.... so I didn't worry too much about that factor.
A scene that I found particularly stunning was when the kid saw adults lining up naked for the "bakery." and just the horror of knowing what was about to happen. This struck me because it was exactly how and I had imagined it, and yet somehow still a shocking scene to witness in picture image.
I wonder why more concentration camps didn't have this kind of reaction. We discussed in class that it was probably due to weakness, and malnutrition that they could not think beyond the moment to moment survival, but still I wonder.
It was difficult for me to digest that 'bakery' image as well. The scene where they made the condemend pick out a 'partner' to die with them was pretty gruesome as well. I think one of the reasons Sobibor was most successful was because it was a smaller camp.
I think that the movie was a great representation of how the story all played out. When watching this movie, as long as you are paying attention to the plot line, you can barely notice the poor acting. I was fascinated by the way the director decided to portray the camp and the prisoners. I feel that the planning process could have been elaborated more in the movie because I am sure that all that was shown wasn't all the details. The part that really stuck with me was the scene of when the boy goes to the "showers" and hears the screams of the woman ad children. I wonder if Sobibor closed down after the escapes or did they just keep bringing in more jews, restarting the whole process. Also I wonder if the boy got any more acting jobs after his terrible crying scene, when he was smiling.
I totally agree. Being engrossed in the story helped me ignore the sometimes bad acting.
I think this was a really interesting movie that was really eye opening. It was sad in the beginning seeing what they did and how they treated them and I think the ending made me a little excited to see if they were going to get out or die in there. I feel like it takes a lot to escape and they found a way for everyone to escape which was really cool even though half of them made it. I wonder where sashas girlfriend went? I wonder if she made it out of the woods or if she died somewhere in there. I really enjoyed this movie, it was different.
Think: I think the movie was a lot better than what I was expecting and the emotion the actors had felt real. Its hard to understand that this actually happened and it was successful.
Feel: I feel as if the jewish escapees could have been more successful had they planned longer rather than shorter and have it be more risky. I understand that they where on a serious time crunch with consequences being life and death, but I would have taken more time to plan.
Wonder: I wonder how hard it was for a jewish prisoner to deal with killing there officers because of there religion. I understand that they have morals and I don't even know what I would do either in there situations let alone what Id feel.
I feel like a lot of those prisoners in the camps went into survival mode and really forgot about morales. They were filled with so much hate towards the Germans.
Yeah I think they should have planned for a longer time, but I think that they just wanted to get out of there as soon as possible.
The movie was quite interesting and once you got past the humorous acting that took place the story did have a lot of meaning. Even though the movie probably did not portray the story completely accurate and added in some more spice to make the movie more interesting, I really enjoyed to see how prisoners in these camps retaliated. It took tons of hard work and courage to be able to help in that process. I wonder how other camps took this and what kind of consequences and inspirations were born after this huge battle.
I don't know if they really added anything that was my true to the story. Many of the survivors were alive in the credits of the movie, so I assume they interviewed many of the survivors to get an idea.
i agreed with how they related. It actually made it easier to watch knowing they all had a personal connection.
Despite popular belief, I thought the acting was fine! I find it amazing and selfless how they attempted to bring all 600 prisoners freedom. Also how despite where all the prisoners came from, they all had their religion and desire to escape similar to everyone else, and that's how i believe they are all brought together. When reduced to almost nothing, all you is your hope and mentality.
I feel as though the prisoners became one, they became united. One moving body of hope of freedom and desire to attain it at any means possible. Many died, many were trampled which is shocking for the viewers. People ask "Why would they trample them? Don't they see them?" I think they see freedom. They see opportunity and the shade of the forest was the epitome of free life. They were just focused on the horizon, some in the movie never looked back.
In the film the SS talked about Lukah in very "interesting" ways. Some had intentions and I wonder if any actually acted on those desires. And did they actually believe that a human being could be only filth? That they were so above the rest when they took so many precautions? Were they scared of the Jews? Why the jews? What prompted Hitler to single out this religion and call it filth? Was he not a christian or catholic then? A confused one if that.
I think that even though the SS regarded the Jews as below them they still acted on those "desires". The SS didn't really have a moral code to follow, so they did pretty much anything they wanted to.
Think: I thought that this movie was very intense, and it kept me very engaged even though it was an old movie. It was also amazing how over three hundred people escaped compared to 600 prisoners being held captive.
Feel: I felt like they could have come up with a better plan to escape, because they all basically started running, and people were shot, and killed during this process.
Wonder: I wonder what happened to the soldiers that were left at the camp where they let over three hundred people escape, I wonder if they were punished, and what their punishment was.
I think some parts of the plan had to do with vengeance, but maybe they where so desperate to escape that it didn't matter how they got out.
I think that the remaining officers got killed since they didn't fulfill there orders
This movie was a lot better than I expected. I thought I was gonna see a lot of cheesy acting but over all it was pretty good. It made me think about how perfect the scenario had to be to escape. They needed an electrition, someone who could smith, military leader, good communication through out the camp, and close by to the border of another country. This movie really showed exactly how perfect of a situation they ended up in and why it was so hard for other camps to try the same. One thing that was upsetting about the movie was the sa guard that survived. I hope that guard one day faced war crimes and was executed. Overall I really liked the movie though
I think there method of escape was very interesting in that they knew what would happen if only a few escaped so they needed to take the all the prisoners. I think that all the pretty prisoners share a sense of connection in that they wouldn't leave each behind to face a merciless tyrant.
While watching the film I felt a sense of disbelief. It was hard to imagine the state of mind that both the prisoners where in as well as the SS and guards. To murder an innocent mother and child in cold bold is truly shocking and makes me wonder what I would do if put into that situation.
I wonder why it took the Russian soldiers to push the prisoners to escape. Why couldn't they have done it without them?
Think- this film made me think of how hard it is to escape such dire situations. It makes me think of modern day kidnapping and how, like some of the Sobibor inhabitants, they may be too afraid to escape.
Feel- I feel that if I were in this situation I would feel the need to have my sister escape more than I. I would probably, in this instance, take on the role of coordinator rather than escapee due to the fact that I cannot see myself living and my family dying.
Wonder- I wonder now what the people who died trying to leave would say about their escape. Was it worth it? Did they feel freedom for the little time they had it? I hope so. Otherwise my heart would break to know they were so close and are forever doomed to dying upon their release.
- Wow, good connection to modern day times, I wouldn't have thought about it that way. And hey that's very honorable that you would put your family before yourself, and that even in the midst of all the chaos you would still put your family first.
Escape from Sobibor
I felt this movie really touch on a good topic. It shows cooperation, love, cooperation, confusion, fervor, anger, freedom, cruelty and hatred.
What particularly struck me was the mood of the escapees. Their anger given action was something to behold and the way they killed the SS, given all that had been done to them, was just but still brutal.
The last part, where the people stories after Sobibor were told shocked me. Anti-semitism continued but there were testifiers in war crimes, missing people and people who ended up all over the world. The various convictions listed also warmed my heart, showing that justice was not blind, as it is often is, in this matter.
I have to agree with what you said about what struck you.
I think that it is such a shame that this was the first I have ever heard of the Sobibor escape. Half of the people were able to escape, which may not seem like much, but considering the significant amount of security and preventative measures taken by the Nazis, it is actually quite amazing. The story itself was really compelling and complex, and it upsets me that it does not seem to get the attention it deserves. I also think that sometimes we do not fully grasp the horrors of the concentration camps. We know they are bad, but it is hard to envision them completely. I was nauseous throughout most of the movie because I was soooo disturbed; I think it painted a really vivid and accurate picture of the barbarity of the concentration camps.
I cannot decide how I feel about the men guiding people off the trains help save some of them. Obviously I think it is commendable that they risked their lives to save others, and it is great that they were able to rescue so many people, but I wonder how they chose the men and women they saved. I know that a few were chosen because they would be useful in an escape, and some women were chosen because they were pretty, but those couldn’t have been the only criteria. It is also disturbing to think that for every person who was given the information to survive, there were another hundred that were not. The odds of survival in Sobibor once off the train were slim.
What I have wondered most of all throughout this entire unit is how Nazis operating the gas chambers/crematories/camps could be so cold-blooded and have absolutely no empathy? To some degree I can understand how some people working for the Nazis could not fully grasp the ‘Final Solution,’ but the people at the camps and crematories knew exactly what was happening and, presumably, felt no sorrow.
I like your analysis of the men who "helped" the passengers get off the trains. I think the point you brought up about how they picked the people to save is really important. Yet I personally don't think that they picked people on physical traits but quite possibly people who were too trusting or looked extremely innocent. ( the woman after the one who tried to tip him)
Think:I think that this was a great example how to beat enemy. Unity, cooperation, trust are the little things you need to have in the teamwork. Although some scenes were not really good, overall this was a great movie with a really powerful story.
Feel: I feel blown away. When I was younger everything I used to do was to watch movies about partisans, World War 2 and the liberation of our country. Escape from Soribor took me to my childhood. Feeling of unity and collaboration and final scenes of battle made me really excited. Also the fact this movie was filmed in Serbia made it more interesting for me.
Wonder: I wonder why prisoners in other camps did not resisted and try to do something. They could maybe die but they would die fighting for their honor and liberty.
I think this film helped me get a better understanding on the effects the labor/death camps had on the Jewish people. I cant imagine myself being in that kind of situation, where everyone has only one way to live. I feel this film did a good job on showing how the Jewish people worked together to fight for their lives. Not only were they able to figure out an escape plan that actually worked, but they also succeeded in freeing half of the camps Jewish laborers. I wonder how big of an impact this was to other German camps?
Yes maybe this inspired other Jews to retaliate as well
What if this also impacted the nazis into making the security much harsher .-.
Think: Those prisoners are seriously brave for managing and pulling off that escape. I think what we talked about in the discussions after it are true, if that camp had been any bigger they would have never escaped.
Feel: I felt really bad for all the friends and family they lost because they had to know that some people weren't going to make it.
Wonder: I wonder what ever happened to the people at the crematories? They said they could never save them because that entire section was off limits to all but the highest of the SS officers.
Yeah I wondered what happened to the people at the crematories too.
Despite the not-so-perfect filming and acting, this movie moved me a lot. I think that the determination of these people was incredible, especially the fact that they planned so everyone could escape, not just them. But the grim aspects of the movie did trouble me a lot and I closed my eyes during the worst parts, but I did end up throwing up at home thinking about the scene where the mother and her baby are shot and other horrific content we have learned. But I wonder what would have happened if they were only determined to save themselves and how successful they would have been without each other.
I agree while the actual cinematography of the film was not as stong the message and emotion left me raw. Your question also brings up a good point about how some people are selfish and how others aren't.
I thought that the movie was quite interesting. I had no idea previously that there were any successful (albeit not very) mass uprisings in any of the concentration camps. I didn't think the acting was as bad as Ms. Clark made it out to be, but I did agree with what she said about the prisoners' appearances not being very accurate given the situation they were in. I also thought that the ending was a bit misleading, given that in reality, only around 50 or so of the people who escaped lived to see the end of World War II.
I think this movie was awful, not because of the acting but certain parts of it all, the part where they show the small child running from the fire was the worst and breaks my heart when I think about it.
I feel awful for what happened, the holocaust is over taalked about in schools but the horrors that happened never seem to stop.
I wonder what the mothers felt as they watched their babies burn next to them, I can not even begin to imagine the pain ad shame as a mother, this genocide was awful but there where more then one genocides I think we should be talking about.
Wow. I really like what you had to say, it was very deep.
I think that although there was moments where movie that had questionable acting, at times even laughable the story really shown through allowing us all to learn and see a bit more of what these camps were like and the mind set of the people who were imprisoned there.
I feel that this movie had a very impactful story showing not only the tragedies including the lines going into the gas chambers and the child trying to escape but how they also showed how the people inside the camp were able to unite not only with a common enemy in mind but through the struggles and losses they faced.
I wonder how accurate this movie truly is and what changes the film makers may have made to the story, or if there are any at all. While watching the end of this film where the described some of the escaped prisoners lives after the escape I wondered how some of those events could occur. For one there were the two people that found shelter with a polish farmer only to have him murder one and attempt to murder the other for their money. Another is the man who attained freedom only to be murdered by his neighbors.
I think that this movie was incredibly moving. The way that they planned to have the entire camp escape so ideally noone would be left behind and killed. It showed the strength and honors of the leaders of the resistance. While in the very end the plan was foiled and people were running at random, the leaders stayed somewhat calm in the crazy situation they were in.
I feel that the movie brought up extremely useful information. I also feel almost in awe becasue before this film I had never heard of the escape form Sobibor, which is especailly surprising hearing that it was the biggest escape in the Holocaust. The use of the survivors stories was well done becasue it made the movie feel so real. Using first hand accounts and stories from people is the best way to learn about history becasue while being so personable they convey emotion that might not always be there from a textbook.
I wonder what did happen to the survivors that were never heard from again or had no records to account what they did after the escape?
I really enjoyed watching this movie. It was cool to learn in detail how they escaped. I though this movie was a tad nice to the jews, I feel like that the germans would be more harsh.
Think: I thought that this film was very interesting and had a lot of aspects that made you think about the whole process. I had never seen a film about an escape from a death camp like Sobibor. I learned a lot about how the timing and planning of it was essential.
Feel: I feel that this whole process was extremely difficult and took a lot of forage and intelligence to pull off. I also feel that they had to overcome a lot of personal barriers in order to do what they had to do to get out.
Wonder: I wonder what would have happened if they did not have the main guy to help them. Where would they be, what would they have done? Would they have escaped another way?
Yeah, I have not seen such a film before either, but I definitely would be willing to watch something similar again, I wonder if there will be a film based off of Five Chimneys, because the book similar, but different to the movie we watched
The movie also made me think alot about the process too
I thought this was a really well done movie! I really like those kind of movies, like the really old war movies. I know you kept saying that the acting was bad and the filming was bad too, but I thought it was actually really well done. I was a little confused with if they were in a lenient prison camp or or if it was just the movie. What I mean is, they were able to walk around from room to room unlike other stories that we hear about like five chimneys where the people in the camps are not aloud to do anything other than what they are told. I personally think that the people making this movie might have filmed it from the aspect of the prisoners having free time so that it could build the story with the dialogue and all the planning that took place. I think it was really awesome and filled with action and suspense! Good choice overall.
I forgot it was either hoham, or think feel wonder sorry!
Think: I think this was a very great movie and super inspiring. It showed a lot of courage from the jews too, which was awesome rather than making them look like the helpless victim. I really think that the set that they used was awesome. It might have looked cheap, but that's probably what it would have looked like in real life, so seeing it constructed like that was great!
Feel: I feel that the actors in the movie did a great job of acting! I could feel where the internees were coming from. If I was in there position, I think that I would go down swinging if I had to live in those conditions. Seeing family, friends, and just hundreds of people dying around you would be something that I could not do.
Wonder: I wonder how the people who escaped from Sobibor felt about living each day after that. I wonder how much appreciation for their lives they had.
I like your wonder, I also wonder that ;)
Even though the movie was a little bit old, it was the most modern version of the event that I have seen. The movie made the event more "real" for me because it was focused on more than one character so it showed what every persons perspective was on the situation. However I think the movie could have been a little more realistic in the way that the Germans treated the Jews, the movie made it seem as if the concentration camps weren't that bad of a place.
Feel- The movie was a very positive representation of the escape, even though many people died during the entire situation it all ended pretty well. The whole concentration camp seemed a little less strict in the movie compared to what it really was like. I feel that it was just a good way to show the facts of what happened for the prisoners to escape.
Wonder- I wonder what would have happened with other concentration camps if they heard of what happened in Sobibor, would the news of prisoners successfully escaping a concentration camp give people enough hope and optimism to try the same thing?
After watching this film I felt that this issue of the nazis and hitler haring the jewish people was an unmeasurable amount of hatred and I get that they wanted only the perfect humans. But why did they want the jews dead? Why not slavery? or sending them to another part of the world? I think it was clearly insanity that drove hitler and the nazis to do what they did. It made me feel patriotic I guess. I know the US has had some dark times, but I never see it getting to that point in our future ever.
Think: That was such a great movie, it really did give a lot of insight to concentration camps besides Auschwitz and Birkenau. I think that it was interesting how every concentration camp has their own level of cruelty even though you would imagine that maybe, JUST MAYBE there would be at least a couple people on the SS that were disgusted with the way that these people were tossed around and beaten. I'm just glad that at least some people in the end were able to make it out alive and have a life that didn't end inside a concentration camp.
Feel: Ahhhhhh I felt soooo grateful for what I have watching this film. I know that Auschwitz was way worse after reading 5 Chimneys but to see this group of people still suffering a great deal really made me feel even more like a spoiled teenager. They suffered so much and yet this is probably the most liberal camp I've seen so far (the fact that they still kept their clothes and long hair, could sing and play instruments in the barracks, etc). This movie has made me feel lots of anguish, uncertainty, and anger after all the events that went down and how it ended.
Wonder: I too wonder why they ran through the minefields. If it were up to me I would have made the Nazis run through them after getting the upper ground of the situation. But also I wonder what happened to Moses! In the end it said that he disappeared and there was no record of him after Sobibor but I wonder if maybe he just decided to change his name for safety reasons to stay under the radar or something along those lines. It's a shame that the brothers (after all that they went through) lost each other in the midst of escape.
Think: Wow, I thought this movie was great (even though we finished it on Friday and it is currently Sunday), but it has been lingering in the back of my mind. The context itself, what happened to everyone that stuff wasn't great, but it told a great story and gave us even more insight to the concentration camps, I really only knew about Auschwitz/Birkenau before this and just to see so many unknowing people walk into the gas chamber without knowing their fate was really sad to watch. The part that got me was the baby scene where the German guy found out that there was a baby and the mother loved the child so much that she died with it.
Feel: I feel like the ending was pretty good, but I was upset that they ended up killing characters we got attached to, but then I remembered the horrible situation they were stuck in before this and the horrible people keeping them there seemed almost soulless. Anyway, I found this story inspiring in the way that the prisoners could all get together and escape, so inspiring I almost did something similar to get closer to a band I saw on Friday night.
Wonder: I wonder why the Jews did not escape through something that wasn't the mines, seemed a little bit not thought out. What would have happened if they escaped another way, how many of them would have survived the escape? What if the Sasha guy didn't have a wife? Would he have started a family with his "girlfriend"? I also wonder what happened to the girl, the movie said that despite all efforts she was never found, so that usually means death, but it seems a little weird to me that she wasn't found, not even her body.
Think: This film was great since it showed how the Jewish were able to retaliate against the SS officers. This film made me think of the movie Defiance since they both correlate to Jewish rising above the power of the Nazis.
Feel: This movie had so many great suspenseful parts. It's like if I were to be in this situation I would want to retaliate as well.
Wonder: Were there any other successful escapes from other concentration camps?
The film was pro except when it came to killing the S.S, it was funny due to editing and music.
I think that each one of these main or sub-main characters were super courageous in a way that I personally can not compare to. It's horrifying enough to know that every day you are forced to do any means to "postpone" your inevitable death, or extend what little time you have left to live, but to go about at every moment in that camp knowing that everyone you've ever know and cared about has mercilessly died or will die at the hands of Hitler's soldiers and you can do nothing about it.
I feel terrified because this is something that really happened. People suffered, they killed, they endured, and they faced death one way or another, either by having it slowly be drained out of their bodies or expelled at gunpoint, and may have watched it happen to so many others. It's a cruel and unnecessarily disturbing way to die, a way that I could not bear to witness.
I wonder about very few things when it comes to these events. Why did they only portray the Jews if they were not the only ones who suffered? Did anyone else in other camps try to escape? How many could have been saved? Who in their right mind gives the order to slaughter millions of men, women and children for any reason?
I think that the movie was very inspiring because it showed how a group of people were able to accomplish the impossible and escape. This makes me wonder why more escapes didn't happen from other camps. I feel like it probably didn't happen because too many people lost hope and didnt work together enough to escape. Lastly this shows how it best to work with other people and to never give up.
I think the moving in its own way. It was common people aiming for common goal even if death is lurking. It was an act that doesn't occur often, people tend to be bystanders rather than helping due to the risk. I also feel that we more leaders like the Russian guy, he motivated everyone to escape even though he himself wasn't Jewish. Which goes to show that race and religion doesn't have to be a factor when helping others or when fighting for something. I wonder what the outcome of the Holocaust would have been if everyone began fighting when it was first starting.
Think: I really liked the movie, but there were some things that didn't make sense to me. For example, where did they get instruments, why are they so happy, and why are people making love? It just seemed weird to me.
Feel: This movie gave me mixed emotions. When one of the guards shot the baby, it broke my heart, and I almost cried.
Wonder: This makes me wonder if the other concentration camps did the same things.
This movie was awesome but sad. I had a lot of mixed emotions about this film because it showed so many of the people happy and dancing then it showed people screaming and getting shot. It was extremely inspiring to see that many escaped but some of those escapees had very sad endings.
Just realized I'd responded, but never actually posted for this.
It's not often that I see movies, and so I'm not usually very critical of them. People tell me this one wasn't very well produced; I wouldn't know. But anyways, the low budget didn't really distract me like it did other people.
I did really appreciate the story. I was convinced throughout the whole thing that they'd fail and all perish. It really surprised me when the plan actually worked.
I also thought it was very useful to see the actual things I've been reading about- sometimes it's hard for me to visualize. The lines, the trains, the emotions were so much easier to understand logistically when seen acted out. Overall, I enjoyed the movie. The triumphant ending was a nice break from all the terribleness.
Sorry for late post. I thought link would be on edmodo. I really enjoyed the movie we watched on Thursday on Friday in class.
I think it is really inspiring how they came together and created a plan. Even though it seemed hopeless at the moment they realized that they had to move on and survive. Also I thought it was really stupid of the nazis to put that soldier with the rest of the prisoners and not just kill him then. As a result he got to inform them and helped them create an escape plan.
I feel shocked that something like this could really happen. Where people would turn on each other and put them through such torturous conditions. How they can live with themselves after killing and torturing mass amounts of jews.
I wonder why this was the only concentration camp that revolted. To me it would be easier in Auschwitz for them to revolt. This is because there was about 50,000 prisoners there. That many people could easily overwhelm the amount of guards and escape.
This movie really got me thinking in the last couple of minutes in the film, they were being chased by these nazis into a field of land mines and they were running so fast and with out a care if they stepped on one of these land mines. I thought it was really sad and happy when you got to hear what happened to them after they escaped, because some had families and lived happily ever after them some got murdered out of hatred. All together I felt broken hearted and empowered after watching this film.
This movie I thought was pretty good. The meaning behind it at least! It really brought to my attention how crazy it is it was. I felt bad at some moments because the Nazi's were having Jewish officials who were made to beat their own "kind". I couldn't believe all of the crazy things that were happening in order for them to survive. The most disturbing part to me was watching the escape. When they were running or pushing each other into the barbed wire fence and seeing how cut up they became I just couldn't believe how hectic it could become. I thought that this movie overall showed a great message.
i thought that the movie was good. i think that it was not as cheesy as it was made up to be. i also feel that the escape was very interesting, why did they not just all go through the front gate when they were already there instead of scattering all over the place. i wonder if they had all gone through the front gate , would so many of them have died?
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