"I stayed on the ground for a long time after rowdy walked away. I stupidly hoped that time would stand still if I stayed still. But I had to stand eventually, and when I did, I knew that my best friend had become my worst enemy."
I chose this quote because I feel that it really fleshes out our character and those around us whenever we create change. In every instance that everyone has created change, the changer made friends, but also sacrificed something to make that change. Sometimes it's small but sometimes it's big, like a best friend. I think that the author probably recognized that during his transfer to Reardan. He took a chance and sacrificed the relationship with everyone he knew and loved to take a chance and go to a school that would hate him just to give himself a sliver of hope that he wouldn't be stuck on the reservation forever.
(For page 97)
"But you should approach each book - you should approach life - with the possibility that you might get a metaphorical boner at any point."
Despite how awkward it was to read, understand, and then reproduce it on a public document, I really do think that this has a lot of meaning to it. What I took from this is that he's trying to say approach life prepared to be happy with everything. The previous context was also very thoughtful, that even in the smallest, most empty places, there is adventure and happiness to be found. I really liked those quotes because with those two together you can find enjoyment with nearly anything (within reason).
I like how you explained how awkward it was you. It probably awkward for EVERYONE though.
I like the way you phrased "...fleshes out our character..." I think that is a very eloquent way to explain the scenario and your understanding of it.
I really like the concept of him changing in this story since that is a big deal for anyone on the reservation, because every bodies been the same for generations.
"We all have pain."
This quote spoke to me in many ways. In the context, an acquaintance of Junior's talks about the difference between bulimia and anorexia. It seems strange to me that, as the author describes, this girl is proud of herself for it. I realize we all have pain, but is pain the same thing as a need for attention? When someone has a secret like this I would assume they would be hard pressed to even talk about it to someone like a therapist, let alone any and all the kids on the playground. It makes me wonder what struggles people have as I pass them everyday in the halls, and makes me question whether or not a need for pain is the same as a need for attention.
I think this is something that especially people in high school can relate to, since everyone goes through a lot of struggles and changes.
Wow Shea, reading this really made me stop and think about the way i treat and act towards people, strangers and friends. Deep.
And when you wrote "but is pain the same thing as a need for attention" gets me really thinking, but some love and compassion always speeds up a healing process i guess.
I agree. This is very interesting. Great insight!
i agree with all of you this a very interesting thing to point out
The main thing I disagree with is that she didn't go around telling every one about her anorexia. She only told one kid and that is because he touched her with what he said. So no I think she already has enough attention as it is. I think that she actually has to much attention because a lot of her problems were from everyone at school expected to much from her.
I really like this quote, and I think the way to analyzed it was amazing. I especially like the questioning in the end and how that provokes other's thoughts as well as your own.
"If you're good at it, and you love it, and it helps you navigate the river of the world, then it can't be wrong"
It really struck me how true this quote was. I applies to everyone, when you're happy with something and you do well in it and it helps you, then theres no reason to be ashamed of it. Its very simple but also is one of the most thought provoking quotes I've read so far, and it could apply to anything. If something really has that much positivity in your life, whether it be a hobby or even a person, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. If Juniors comics and Gordys books and Marys new husband make them equally happy then why change it?
So true! different things work for everyone!
This quote also spoke to me. Some people are passionate about different things for a reason and should rely on that passion to help guide their journey through life.
I think this quote is great. It shows that people showed stick with what they have and never give up.
This is so true, anything you do that makes you happy is the best thing you can do.
I agree with what you said how about this quote applies to anything. It is a very versatile quote and means different things to everybody.
I totally agree. I was also thinking of choosing this quote, because if something makes you happy, then you shouldn't stop because someone is hating on you.
“I wish I were magical, but I am really just a poor-ass reservation kid living with his poor-ass family on the poor-ass Spokane Indian Reservation.“
The scene where Richard started being nice to Jr. was really important to me. Sometimes the people who start out as you biggest bullies are bullies at all, sometimes there really good people. I loved how this book reflected the reality of that situation. There was a part where I really hated Penelope, but as the story carries on starting to like her too. At certain parts she feels like a piece of me. She does the real life things I would expect a real person and not just a character to do. She takes care of Jr. and she loves him. He is so hard working. I’m very nervous for him, but excited to see how he emerges out of this terribly wonderfully terrible life. What must it be like to be so hated and so loved simultaneously?
I love how you're connecting with the characters on such a personal levels. I feel like I know them as people and understand where they come from and what they are going through.
I like your connection you did you kind of brought the characters in on a personal matter
I totally agree; whenever I'm reading, I normally start out hating some characters, but, as the story continues, grow to at least respect them (if not like them). I always thought it was because said characters "evolved" over the course of the story; but what if the author was just revealing a different side to them? Do any of us really "evolve" or "change," or do we just reveal different versions of ourselves more? Loved your points!
"The world, even the smallest parts of it, is filled with things you don't know."
This quote reminds me of our weekly reflection in biology. We were looking at critical thinking and what it takes to become a valuable contributor. One of the skills we need to be valuable contributors is to be aware of areas in which we are ignorant. This means understanding that we don’t know everything. It means looking critically at what we do understand and finding gaps in our knowledge. The more we learn about a topic, the more we come to realize that we don’t know much about it at all. Here, Arnold is learning and opening his mind to new ideas. Gordy is showing him a whole new world, and a whole new way to look at the world around him. I think this realization of how big and strange the world really is will give Arnold a new perspective on his situation. Now, instead of being inspired to succeed in life to escape the reservation, he can be inspired by a desire to learn and understand. The world is a big place full of so many different cultures, life forms, and beliefs. I hope Reardan will encourage Arnold to pursue a future for more enriching reasons.
Mikayla- you bring up a really interesting thought process by relating the reading to another class specifically. This is nice, because it's something that all of us have experienced so far, so you connected the reading to all of us!
I liked how you picked that quote, I think you came up with a really unique concept
I like how you picked this quote and expanded on the thought that we can never really learn everything out there, but we can strive to learn whatever we can.
This is a great quote that holds true in the real world, I love the connection to biology
" He not only tutored and challenged me, but he made me realize that hard work - that the fact of finishing, completing, of accomplishing at task- is joyous."
I chose this quote because, last year, i realized that the greatest feeling ever was setting a goal, putting in an extensive amount of strenuous work, and accomplishing your goal. The feeling of success is one of the best feelings in the world. And I just really relate to this quote because, its just so true.
Another thing, reading about Junior's school experiences really has quiet the effect on me. It makes me think about the things that I normally don't. For example what other are going through and what they maybe feeling. And I definitely know that the feeling of being alone and not having anyone to confide in takes quiet the toll on me and my appearance.
I absolutely LOVE this book, for its simplicity and depth. It covers mature themes in a almost childish way making things seem less dramatic then they really are, but that really shows a lot about the kind of person Junior is and what he is exposed to.
I love your personal connection to the text and the characters. Is there anything that you read that you can actively apply to your life?
I totally agree, I actually wrote my analysis before reading anyone else's, and surprisingly, we both have similar thoughts on this quote. This doesn't happen too often, but at least we know we can make personal connections to this book.
There is a great personal connection with this quote, I agree with the satisfaction of setting and accomplishing a goal
"The world, even the smallest parts of it, is filled with things you don't know."
Said by Gordy after a conversation about books and boners.
In all seriousness, though, he is right. From small towns to big cities, public parks to private property there's always something you don't know about something. We're born without knowing anything about the world we've come into and it doesn't matter how old you get, you'll never know everything. It's easy to think that what you know is equal to everything and your opinions are fact. That isn't the case for anyone. We even tend to fear the unknown, to the point where some people are content with making up their own knowledge so as not to face it. That's more terrifying to me than anything hiding under my bed. We know more about space than our own oceans, and it's possible to know more about a book than your own self.
All that that means, though, is that there's always something to learn.
I love your analysis of this quote! Its very true and i agree with every word! the only thing we know is there is an infinite unknown
I love how you analyzed this quote, I find it to be very true, and it even makes me want to explore what I don't know
"The world, even the smallest part of it, is filled with things you don't know" page 97.
I found this quote really intriguing to me because I travel to a great deal all these different and similar places. I have lived here in San Diego my whole life and know really nothing about it. I still learn new things about my house which has been my home since before I was born. This quote could also relate to even educational topics too, we can and will not ever know everything. Which is a good thing; knowledge is a gift and too much is a burden. However, we must keep learning to understand or else we failed as humans.
I loved this quote too! And I have the same connection as you, I've lived in the same city my whole life but every time I turn around there's something new. And I love how you worded "knowledge is a gift and too much is a burden."
I thought the same exact thing; I can never know everything. That makes me both enthusiastic to try to know as much as I can, and saddened that I never will be able to. Great analysis!
I don't agree with your statement that we must keeping learning or else we failed as humans. Like you said too much knowledge can be a burden. Failure shouldn't be measured by how much you know or how you must continue learning but by the loss of conviction. I felt this way because it feels like you are generalizing everyone and branding those who don't continue to learn as a failure.
Wow, you know, when I read Kayla's response I had really connected with it but I'll admit along with Eddie's statement, I too disagree with that last sentence.
Ex: A doctor learns everything that he can about pediatrics to earn his PhD and gain himself his dream job. Once he's gotten the job he puts his knowledge to use but isn't really learning anything more than pediatrics since he that is all he studied for. But since he isn't learning anything further about what surgeons do or all the other different subjects of medicine out there that he could possibly learn, does that necessarily mean that he is a failure? Because he stopped learning at pediatrics?
I also agree with this quote. I too have lived in San Diego as long as I can remember but I know so little about it. I have been to few places around San Diego and I know there is so much more to learn. Knowledge is an amazing thing that we can never fully utilize. I agree when you said that we can never know everything which is in some aspects is a good thing, which I believe relates back to what you said about some knowledge being a burden.
"The world, even the smallest parts of it, is filled with things you don't know." page 97
i realize that a bunch of other people chose this quote, but i think that this is true. there are thing that we don't know and things that we will never know. I understand this quote because i travel a lot and i have been to places/archeological sites where even the tines piece of a ceramic plate has a story a history. The persone who finds it will never know what that fragment of plate has seen. i think that it is important to keep learning and knowing that there are a bunch of things that you don't know.
I like your analysis on this quote, and how it makes you wonder "how much of it do I not know?"
Very true Camila. Be sure to capitalize the first letter in the sentence and feel free to write a little more analysis on your next response.
Quote: " You're kind of gay, aren't you?"
Rowdies dad said this to Junior after Junior handed him a drawing. The reason I picked this quote is because I found it crazy that a parent would treat one of their children's best friend this way! He obviously knows junior based off how long Rowdy and junior have been friends and yet rowdies dad treats him like nothing. It also brought of a big topic up in my mind when people get judged or called gay for doing certain things. Guys will call each other gay in hate full ways or even stereotype certain things to be gay. Knowing my brother is gay himself I feel it's something that people need to be aware of.
Wow this one really is thought provoking, people really do need to be aware of what they say to certain people because some people just want to do certain things and not be called a certain thing for it.
Jeez you really get to see Rowdy's Dad and all his glory in this part. I love your connection and i share the same feeling for needed awareness, people say things too casually.
I really liked the quote you chose, because in the reading it was one I glossed over without hesitation. It's a phrase used so often people have become indifferent towards the pain it causes others.
I agree with how you said that Rowdie's dad treats Junior like nothing even though he isn't his kid.
Yeah, I think that's pretty crazy. A lot of people say things in public like that and don't really think about how it could affect someone.
I like your analysis of the quote and I think that a big problem in our society today is that people don't think about the impact that what they say could cause.
I liked how you made us think. Normally we would have brushed this quote off and not let it affect us but you brought it up and made a point by it. I liked how you did that.
Its a pretty good point you have there. Being a teenager I hear that word get tossed around many times, whether if its a joke or serious. Sometimes it can be difficult for people to draw the line when it comes to calling people gay, because it just matters on how we where raised. Someone from new York would most likely have a different opinion form someone raised in the deep south.
"I shrank back down into my chair and remembered when I used to be a human being."
This quote helps me visualize the hatred and fear that the students and teachers of Rearden hold for Junior and his kind. And, they don't really have a reason not to. They probably don't know any better. They don't have any Indian friends. They don't talk to Indians in bars or supermarkets. The only thing they can really say about Indians is what they are informed. Which is likely bias, heavily bias. Explaining the worried expressions and angry reactions that the PEOPLE of Rearden have.
But, instead of hearing about Indians from your paper tone grandparents, students may also be frustrated they need to share a community with the poverty of the reservation.
Either way, being treated differently makes you feel different. And, eventually can even make you act different. Maybe this is how the other reservation citizens gave in. Being treated in a certain way until finally they became that way. I do not think Junior can fall down this path now, but the severity of racism may not have cast its entire shadow.
I like your reasoning behind why you think that quote is significant. But, how does this quote help you visualize the hatred and fear that the people hold for Junior.
You are completely right. Your point that being treated different makes people feel different makes you act different is spot on. And it seems that junior is the only one resisting this slippery slope.
PS what the heck is a "paper tone grandparent"?
PPS how can one cast a partial shadow?
I'm sorry Lucas, I was just playing with words, "paper tone" meant very white. Meaning that the traits of Indians aren't really understood, more like rumored. And rumored through family knowledge and friends. What better way to think then to let other do so for you?
"Partial Shadow" was me still messing around, and if I had actually said that, I would have admitted to being an idiot. But, I imagine a shadow cut off or out of frame. Out of the picture. The whole analogy just meant that if you couldn't see the entire shadow, you wouldn't know what you up against. So its not easy to tell if it will be good or bad.
I don't know, maybe I'm just weird.
First, I don't think you are weird at all. It was a creative way to express your sentiments. Anyone could have said "white grandparents", but "paper tone grandparents" takes thought! Keep up the fantastic analysis Zeke!
"It was pain, pure pain."
This quote is really disturbing. Junior sounds so incredibly wounded. I don't exactly know what it feels like to have a friend suddenly turn on me with such hatred, but I do know what it feels like to transfer schools. I decided (just by myself, like Junior), that I was in a school that was giving me nothing, and that I needed to change schools. I found out about HTHNC, and did some research. I went to HTHNC, shadowed a student, then got offered a transfer. So I was in a situation very similar to Junior's. I understand what it's like to leave a friend and be faced with the prospect of making many new ones, but my situation was a lot easier. Poor Junior's best friend hates him, and that has got to be one of the worst feelings that someone could deal with, other than the death of a loved one. I think this could be one of the most meaningful and "deep" parts of the book. Junior is going to have to "transfer" his acquaintances, which he is having trouble with. I'm really hoping that this is the deepest low of the book, and that the rest of the book will be about Junior's "rise to fame," so-called.
I totally agree with you, that part was really sad for junior because Rowdy was his only friend. I also like how you related that part of the book to your school life.
I agree. Its sad that Juniors best friend left him. I can relate to leaving a friend behind too.
I know what you mean and it really makes me look at things from Rowdy's perspective. He is suffering a severe loss because Junior is the one person he can turn to. From his perspective, Junior could change and decide that he has outgrown Rowdy, and it is that fear of abandonment that seems to drive his anger.
"If you're good at it, and you love it, and it helps you navigate the river of the world, then it can't be wrong." pg. 95
What Gordy told Junior is absolutely true.We all something that we love to do that helps us cope with our problems. Whether it be reading books or dancing alone in your room. It doesn't matter if people judge you for doing something they think is odd, you have to remember you're the only one living your life, so you should do whatever makes you happy. No matter how strange it is. The world is too hectic and crazy too worry about what other people think of you. So you if it's something you enjoy doing and is an escape from everything else it's important to hold on tight to it.
I love the "easy-going" vibe in your analysis. It makes you really realize that Gordy isn't this robot-thing, but an actual human being. He obviously knows a great deal book-wise, but it's interesting to see you point out that he also has some life-knowledge.
" Dodge stared at me hard. He was dangerously angry."
This quote really grabbed my attention because the parts leading up to it kind made me feel kind of bad for Junior. Junior was just trying to share his knowledge with his class, but his teacher thought he was trying to be a showoff because he's an Indian. But then when Gordy said that Junior was right, he thanked him, and didn't say anything else to Junior. If I was in Junior's position, I would be kind of mad because even though I would give the right answer, but I wouldn't be given credit for it just because of my race. That's not cool at all.
I wonder what would have happened, though, if he did act on anger in class (because I have a feeling it wouldn't have ended well). But I was thinking the same thing, that was crazy of the teacher!
"We all have pain"
This quote really stuck out to me because it reminded me that everyone has something to deal with and a pain to battle with. It brought me to a realization that you should always treat anyone you meet the best way you can because you never know what someone might be dealing with.
I really understood what you were saying and agreed with it.
I also think it's important to try and understand a person's situation or hardships before judging them.
I feel that this quote couldn't be more right. And you are spot on in explaining it. Its kind of like school for us. I'm frustrated that I have a lot of homework, but really, everyone got that homework.
I agree with you, the deception of the outside may not show what the person is bearing.
Alex, I sincerely liked how you chose this quote, especially with the simplicity of it. By far, I have to say that this is the most straightforward quote, in a good way, it doesn't try to use fancy words to make it sound meaningful. It's meaningful, because it's short and true.
I agree, you never know a persons story and what they are going through.
Great start Alex! I would love for you to provide a little more analysis of the text. Perhaps provide an example from your own life or connect this quote to a moment in history, or another text.
My quote was "we all have pain". I liked this quote because I felt like it really reflected on rooty and other people. Because like rooty the character he just comes across as a angry person but deep inside he's feeling pain. Like most times we can't see other peoples pain because they hid it and that really made me think about what pain really is.
I agree People do try to hide there pain, because there afraid someone will judge them if they show it.
You need to provide much more analysis in your future responses. :)
"The world, even the smallest part of it, is full of things you don't know"
I found this quote to stick out to me because i believe it's true. The opportunity to learn never ends, and the only thing we can be sure of is there is more to be known. I love how people say no one can ever take away your education because it's true. Staring at a white wall, you can still learn from it. There may be spots that reflect more light or a spot that wasn't as evenly painted. I love how he includes the smallest part of the world because i believe Junior feels that his reservation might be part of that small section of earth. Many people don't know what happens on the "rez" and thats part of why i believe people don't have much respect for the natives living there. It's a hard life they live, and they live quietly in acceptance thinking this is all they can have, all they deserve. Until Junior decides that its bs and journeys to find the mysterious unknown of a new place. I think he's got a lot to him, and his understanding and acceptance is very admirable and inspiring.
yea! good one!I really liked that qoute too.I also thaink that even though Junior alsways describes himself as the 'really poor indian boy that has too much brain fluid'I still believe he has alot of potential to look beyond the fence of the rez.
"And he certainly helped me through school. He not only tutored me and challenged me, but he made me realize that hard work - the act of finishing, of completing, of accomplishing a task - is joyous. In Wellpinit, I was a freak because I loved books. In Reardan, I was a joyous freak. And my sister, she was a traveling freak. We were the freakiest brother and sister in history." (Page 98)
This was an outstanding quote to me because I completely agree with the fact that knowledge can give you a sense of accomplishment. I completely agree with the fact that you feel happier when you learn something really well. This actually connects to what we were doing in Dr. Cate's class one day, we connected it to how we will learn. I find that his analysis of his connection with his sister, even though she might not know it, is beautiful. I think it would be wrong to call someone a "freak" just because they like books, yet if someone liked someone that damaged brain cells like video games (I'm not hating on the gamers) that person wouldn't be considered a "freak".
I love the connections you made with this, I didn't think of those while I was reading the quote
"I felt like two different people inside one body." pg 61
I think this quote sums up Junior really well because he is now trying to create two different identities; who he is on the reservation and who he is at school. He's not a big character, so to speak, on the reservation and he's the new poor Indian kid at a racist high school, so he is trying to abandon his reservation identity to be accepted at Reardan. So he's having a big identity crisis and trying to find out who he is because he has always seen himself in a very negative light, calling himself loser, stupid, ugly, etcetera. And some people are calling him brave for transferring schools and others call him a traitor, so there are a lot of opinions towards him that he has to sift through and figure out which ones to believe.
I like how you broke down the two worlds that Junior lives in-who is on the rez and who he is at school.
You compared his two worlds amazingly. I strongly agree with what you said about how he is trying to fit in at his new school so he is trying to leave his old identity at the reservation.
"There are all kinds of addicts, I guess. We all have pain. And we all look for ways to make the pain go away. Penelope gorges on her pain and then throws it up and flushes it away. My dad drinks his pain away." (pg. 107, Alexie)
I think that this quote shows how compassionate and intelligent Junior is. While Junior himself doesn't make his pain go away by throwing up or drinking he attempts to understand what they are feeling and why. Though it seems Junior doesn't really understand how he relieve his own pain, communicating and making other people happy seems to make him feel satisfied with himself. Junior gives many people advice and is an inspiration to more than he can imagine. This quote also made me think about one I saw on the board in Mrs. Clark's room that said, " I've learned that the people who seem the happiest on the outside, usually aren't so happy on the inside." I think this can lead to a question: Does pain, connection, and communication go hand in hand?
Well put, Emily.
As I've said before, this book seems to be (at least so far) about pain. And that's why this quote is so important. It confronts the ideas expressed earlier in a way that is very honest.
Such a thoughtful question to pose at the end of your response. And great connection to the "I learned" statement.
"I think weird is great. I mean, if you look at all the great people in history-Einstein, Michelangelo, Emily Dickinson-then you're looking at a bunch of weird people."
When I first read this, I wanted this line tattooed on my arm. But now I can't decide if I love or hate it. I love it because I think that it is undeniably true: many of our world's greatest minds have been dismissed as "weird" or "stupid" because they are thinking and acting and creating at such a higher level than the rest of us. Nobody listened to Einstein for the longest time because his theory proved part of Sir Isaac Newton's theory (arguably the mantra of physics at the time) wrong. People thought that Charles Darwin was a Satanist for suggesting that God didn't create man. Gertrude Stein submitted poems to publishing houses for over twenty years before one was finally accepted. I think this gives hope to a lot of people (including myself) who have been told that what they made wasn't "right" because it dared to be different. But I hate this quote because it makes me sad. The majority of us are too ignorant/simple-minded to see the beauty and genius in what these "weirdos" create, and, if we do, it's because we've been told by others that it is genius. Despite all of that, I love this quote overall because it reminds me to 1) never conform or back down because what I made is "weird" and 2) always think critically when studying something, and decide for myself whether or not I think it is brilliant or beautiful. You never know; I could be examining the next thing that will change the world.
So, on second thought, I'll take the tattoo.
I like and agree with your analysis of the quote you chose.
I want everyone to read your post because it is solid advice for my class and for life! Dare to be different!
Wow Jenna, your work never ceases to amaze me!
“He would always be my best friend no matter how much he hated me”
I think this quote could have two meanings behind it, it could be that When you have been friends with someone for so long, no matter how much you dislike him, you will still be friends. Or it could've meant that the main character was having a hard time accepting that his friend left him, and after all the trouble would still consider him as a friend. This is something that myself, and likely many other people have experienced. When something happens and you can’t let go of it, weather its a friend, a loved one, or even a favorite object. There are times when you feel you want your old life back. Sometimes people just slip away from you and no matter how hard you hold on, all good things will come to an end. If a friend or loved one has to move, or dislikes you and wants to leave, or even if a loved one you know is near death. You wonder what will it be like without them, or what will I do with all of the good memories shared with this person who will be gone? But the hope that things will get better keeps dragging us back for more.
I can see where you coming from and I agree, Junior is definitely upset, maybe even thinking that he'll never have another friend quite like this. And, he probably won't.
But, to be fair, I don't know how good for Junior this relationship was. I mean its good and all that he would save Junior from trouble, but if you can't tell your best friend some things because he'll beat the crap out of you, its hard to say.
I think its better for Junior to get away from all things reservation. Its bad luck.
I think that your quote shows that he is still not ready to give up what friendships he previously had.
I love your response Kane! Especially that last sentence as I think many of us have experienced the "going back for more". I remember I had this best friend who hurt me more than anyone had ever hurt me, and I kept trying to forgive her, but sometimes friendships just have to end.
It also made me think about how life is full of sacrifices, any time you devote to one thing means, it means you are not devoting time to something else. Sometimes getting ahead in life means leaving part of your life behind.
"I Think I Was Born With A Suit Case"
I picked this quote because not only could I relate to it, my mother can too, we both have 'wanderlust' the need and desire to just go, leave and travel and see the world. Penelope has this dream to go and travel and everyone laughs at her dream, yet she still says it out loud and she still dreams about it. It hard to have a dream that not only almost everyone laughs at but no one thinks it will happen. I keep most of my dreams inside for that same reason, I don't want to be discouraged or laughed at, but I still have them. I think Penelope has lived the good life, a white girl with a working father and popularity but she never wanted that life. I think Penelope is caring and understanding and just wants to open her mind as wide as she can and traveling would be the perfect opportunity for her to do that.
It is always fun to find a character that the reader can personally relate to.
It is good that Penelope is not letting peeer pressure discourage her dreams.
I will never laugh at your dreams! And I can relate to you and your mom. If I don't leave the country at least twice a year, I get anxious!
"I don't want to be friends that way. I just meant regular friends. I mean, you and I, we have a lot in common."
Junior has been put through a lot lately, getting jumped in the middle of the night, his sister leaving and getting married, and losing his best friend Rowdy. All Junior wants is a someone who can make him happy, which gives him the courage to try to make a new friend. They eventually end up being friends and get along with each other very well. This part made me happy for Junior because it showed that Junior can be more comfortable to go to to the new school, now that he has a friend that share a lot in common.
I was also happy for Junior because his Reservoir life might have taken a bad turn, but his school life has given him more happiness which I think is what he really needs right now.
you have a really good point in the fact that when people are going through a tough time, they will step out of their comfort zone and try to make a new friend. Especially when someone has been brought to an entirely new school environment.
"And he certainly helped me through school. He not only tutored me and challenged me, but he made me realize that hard work - the act of finishing, of completing, of accomplishing a task - is joyous. (pg. 98)
This quote makes me happy for Junior. Despite Gordy being harsh to Junior; luckily, Junior wanted Gordy's friendship. Junior's friendship with Gordy, has brought him something he has never had, the joy of accomplishing learning. Junior had to be tough and strong to ask for the friendship. Junior wanted a scoial friend; yet, he got so much more. Even though this quote doesn't say it, Gordy has benefitted from their friendship as well. Gordy has learned to be more friendly with people. I can't wait to see what becomes of their friendship.
'I suddenly understood that if every moment of a book should be taken seriously, then every moment of a life should be taken seriously as well.'
This quote really caught my attention. This reminds me off how the little things are important for everything. We only see the entire appearance but everything consiting of small things. Even success is the result of small everyday activitie like a book they were talking about. Junior would have had no problems in his childhood if he had known not to do great things, but to do small things in a great way. That can be a key of success. I remember later how Gordy was talking that every lybery, every city is full of mystery even these are small one. That thing thing impressed me because it is very very true. We should see tiny things that make them.
"Do small things in a great way."! I love that idea! Nice analysis.
"I was the kind of idiot that got punched in the face by his best friend."
This was an interesting quote. It shows that Junior might not have the best choice in friends, or it may be showing how even your best friends may not even have your back. I think this applies to almost everyones life because we all have people we believe to be friends that might be deceiving us all the time. Not to say that all friends are like this, because there are also friends that will have your back for anything.
I agree that this can apply to every ones life in a way.
''I thought that she'd start paying more attention to me and that everybody else would notice and then I'd become the most popular dude in the place. But nothing changed.''
I think a lot of people can relate to this quote. Junior is just trying to fit in and make new friends, so he is trying to say things to try impress people to get them to be friends with him. Its like he has to act like a whole different kind of person that he did at the Rez. I think that everybody at some point in there life has tried to say or do something to get someone to be there friend, and when they go to a new environment with people they don't know they have to start this process over again. I think that Gordon and Junior like having each other around, because they both never had friends in the first place, so they come from similar school backgrounds at Reardon.
I agree every kid has done something that is far from who they actually are just to make them a little cooler and get more friends. I believe its a bad habit and in the end you would only be making fake friends who only like the fake you.
"I could handle the kicks but the spit made me feel like an insect" Page 79.
I chose this quote because it shows how much he has gone through already throughout this book. To think how messed up it is to beat him up for no reason and spit on him is hard to believe. Not just that but he has a lot of other issues at home and school it's inspiring that he is able to overcome them.
It also shows that he was able to take the beating but when they spit on him it was like a sign of disrespect. It made me think what did he ever do to them that made them hate him so much? He so far seems like he is nice to people but they are still mean to him. Even after he got jumped he question if Rowdy did it which shows that nobody is really nice to him.
Thank you for adding more analysis. :)
"He opened his wallet and handed me forty bucks" page 127
I really liked this moment in the book because even though Arnold is going through a lot of crap back at home, at his school he is like a whole different person. He is actually enjoying himself and loves the fact that he has a girlfriend and is considered popular. If he never checked up on Penelope when she was force vomiting in the bathroom his life would be way different. He would probably still be a nobody and face even more problems then just the ones back at the reservoir.
I totally agree with what you said how Arnold is such a different person at school and how he is actually happy.
Yea it's really cool how his courage helped him get to Rearden and now it's really paying off for him,like with Penelope.
“I knew it; all of those kids knew it. Indians don’t deserve shit.”
This quote stood out to me because it points out the various contrasts between the white kids in Reardan and the Indian ones on the reservation. It just shows the still-quite-alive-and-well discrimination that exists around the United States, even if it’s not blatantly obvious. We’re lucky to live in a fairly nice part of this country, and there happen to be a lot of fairly accepting people here. That’s not to say that discrimination of various types doesn’t exist here. However, in some not-quite-as-nice parts of the country, the discrimination is much more apparent. In the Deep South, there are many racists and homophobes that are still quite outwardly racist and homophobic today. But we don’t necessarily see that here, because we live in relatively tolerant Southern California. Even in a fairly modern and not-impoverished state like Washington, where the book takes place, there is still much discrimination against Native Americans, because they look different, because they’re most often poor, and because it’s human nature to hate people who are different from you. It’s possible to beat human nature though, I think.
Yes, I agree, it is possible to "beat human nature". We shall overcome!
“And I couldn't make fun of her for that dream. It was my dream, too. And Indian boys weren't supposed to dream like that. And white girls from small towns weren't supposed to dream big, either.” - Pg 112
I think that this sentence creates an understanding for why the most popular girl in school bonds with him so quickly. They both felt like they were constrained into their little community. They wanted to be bigger than they really were and in their hearts they knew that that wasn't possible. I can relate to this because I switched schools when I got into high school and I made friends with people who had the same ambitions as me and who I could relate to the easiest. I feel bad also because I feel like Penelope is also using him to make a statement, And I think he knows that.
I think it's awesome that you could relate this quote to your own life, and I also think it's cool that you made friends who had similar ambitions and interests as you.
I also liked how you related and made a connection with this. I did as well.
"So I punched Roger in the face."
I choose this quote because it shows how far Junior is willing to go to defend people in general. I mean sure Roger was insulting him but he was also insulting black people, Indians, and a buffalo. I love how Junior didn't decide to fight Roger because he insulted him, but instead drew the line at insulting other people.Throughout this section of the book we find that Junior is a team player and doesn't look down on anyone, because he views himself at the bottom. This thought is strengthened by the chapter where Junior goes around the rez on halloween and collects money for poor people, even though his family is so poor that they can't always afford the gas to drive him to school or pick him up. Also I am so happy for Junior when he gains a friend to teaches him how to be a better student, and gives him hope. In the next section I hope more people will start to become friends with Junior and push him towards whatever goal it is that he wishes to fulfill.
Nice analysis Jonathan!
"If you're good at it, and you love it, and it helps you navigate the river of the world, then it can't be wrong"
This quote really spoke a lot to me. It is true in almost every aspect and can be applied to pretty much anything. If someone loves something and it is what helps that person get through day-to-day life, then why stop them? I connect this a lot to my own life because whenever I am emotionally effected by something, I go and write whether it be on my computer or on a piece of scratch paper. I write about how I'm feeling and it helps me see things that I would normally have never noticed and always makes me feel a lot better. It is my outlet and I think that no matter what someone's outlet is, if it helps them get through then how could it be wrong. I really like this quote and I don't think I will ever forget it.
I think this is awesome!! I have the same connection with music that you do with writing!
I for one agree to this as well, I like the fact how you mentioned you shouldn't prevent others from doing something they love.
Question. What if the something that they love is harmful to them?
"Yes, it's a small library. It's a tiny one. But if you read one of these books a day, it would still almost take you ten years to finish." pg. 97
I think this is an amazing quote! I think that this is amazing, because I feel like a lot of people don't live thinking like this. Whether it be for how they play or sport, or instrument. I think people have to have the mindset that there is always something for you to get better at, in Gordy's case, how you can never stop learning. I think when people reach a certain point in skill, they just stay at that and don't try as hard to excel like they were when they were learning. When reading it made me think about how, if I really care about getting better at something I need to try everyday harder and harder.
I totally agree, there's always room for improvement no matter the cause.
"Use your tears. Use your pain. Use your fear" -The Coach pg 144
I chose this quote because I can relate to this a lot and perhaps others can to. To me this quote has a lot of meaning, few words but it can easily depict someones life, my life or anyone. To me this said to re evaluate ones motivation. Use your tears. When the coach said that I thought about my family ,friends, and the reasons why I would cried. I have cried over frustration, fear, what the future holds, and the past. I cried over my family because even though broken we are still maintaining to the hope that we have. and for my friends they where the ones that supported me and help mold me. My pain aspired me to not make others feel how I have felt, and through pain I was able to grow up and learn how life can be. Through pain I learned what I didn't want to feel. "My fear is my past and my past can be my future"(-trademark and created by me) and I don't want to go back or allow it to follow. So the coach said this because he want remind his students to remember what they are playing for, because to most of them its the only way out of "ghetto". I'm not a depressed person I just speak the truth.
Why do you think sports tend to be the "only way out of the ghetto" for many people of color?
"Wow, he didn't kick my ass. He was actually nice. He paid me some respect. He paid respect to Eugene and his bike."
I chose this quote because I thought it was very brave of Junior to punch Roger and it struck me how Roger treated Junior afterwards. Roger was being extremely insensitive and calling Junior terrible things, so he stuck up for himself and punched him in the face. The way that Roger reacted to Junior afterwards was very interesting to me. Instead of doing what everyone expected him to do, he was actually being nice to Junior. I feel like people need to remember to always treat others how you want to be treated, and to also be prepared for the consequences of your actions. Since Junior stuck up for himself, it allowed Roger to see him in a different light and realize what he was actually doing to him.
I also liked this quote, it was amazing how he stood up to his fears.
I think its really cool that Roger started to respect Junior because he stood up for himself. He will defend himself and I think thats something that nobody had seen from him, in both the rez and particularly in a white neighbor where most of the assault and anger is verbal.
This quote was very well chosen as was your analogy. It was interesting to see how you pointed out that this is the first time in the book that Junior had stood up for himself when throughout the book he has actually illustrated him as weak and always relying on Rowdy to stand up for him
I agree because he had no verbal ways of expressing how he felt so he punched Roger in the face.
"In Wellpinit, I was a freak because I loved books. In Reardan, I was a joyous freak. And my sister, she was a travelling freak."
This Quote shows how Junior no longer finds his freakness distasteful. He embraces it, and is therefore more happy. He has discovered that his freakness wasn't what was making him feel terrible in Wellpinit. It was simply the circumstances. And that is something that is really important. It is always important to embrace who you are, no matter what that might be.
I agree with you completely. A huge reason Junior wasn't fitting in when he came to Reardan was because he hadn't accepted himself, and how are others supposed to accept him if he can accept himself. I believe that Junior has really grown in this reading in his understanding of both the world and himself.
"I shrank back into my chair and remembered when I used to be a human being." -p. 88
Sadly, this exact thought is running through the minds of children and adults who are not treated like what we all are, human. I do understand how reaching out to help someone having a hard time can be a bit uncomfortable, being their shoulder to cry on, but there are other ways to bring back the other humans who are in this state. Like feeding someone who does not have the food to feed themselves, or talking to someone who has not spoken in days. You can even raise our level of humanity by helping stray or starving animals. Why some people have to become something other than human I do understand.
I think this is so trues. Kids of all ages need people to respect them and identify when they do well because they went out of their way and tried their hardest. Children are totally shut out of education when teachers "dis" them after they stated a perfectly valid point.
"I thought about my sister in Montana. Maybe romance novels were absolutely serious business. I suddenly understood that if every moment of a book should be taken seriously, then every moment of life should be taken seriously as."
I chose this quote because I feel that this is the first time that Junior really accepts his sister's area. When Mr. P told Junior about Mary's dream to write romance novels Junior thought that it was ridiculous, he didn't understand why anyone would want to do that with there lives. In this quote he finally realizes what his sister loved about the romance novels. He accepts that made she loved them for the writing not just what they were saying.
This quote also shows what he is learning at Reardan. He isn't just learning in his classes, he is learning from the people around him and the different perspectives that they hold. Another example of this is when he got into the fight with Roger, he learned to always pick fights on the reservation but at Reardan they view him a freak so punching Roger. He is learning from books, people, and experiences. He is gaining new perspectives for the world around him and the situations he is in.
Don't you just love that you can gain knowledge from so many different sources?!
"Zitty and lonely,I woke up on the reservation as an Indian,and somewhere on the road to Rearden,I became something less than an Indian."
This qoute really hit me bacause I couldn't imagine how he could become even less than what he kept describing himself as, a poor :lonely ,hungry Indian who had too much water in his brain,who had alcoholic parents,who just lost his best friend to a school full of racist whites,who had to walk 22 miles to school sometimes, who was not exactly attractive,who deserted his whole tribe for the school full of racist whites ...and so on.I think he was in a pretty bad place already but to have the courage to go to Rearden, even though he says he becomes something less than all of the things I just listed,is crazy, in a way, but I also belive that he has a few hidden skills that people don't notice when they see him ,and these skills will be his boat accross the river into a whole new world full of oppurtunities, happiness and second chances for the fresh start of a new life!These skills would be ,his ability to draw cartoon pictures as a way of understanding the world,his ability to use his knowledge and contribute it in order to help other people learn,(like when he proved the teacher wrong about the petrified wood ),like him having the luck to meet Penelope with her amazing dreams of traveling, and last of all his courage in taking life as it is and making the best of it.For example, when his sister moved out he realized that love would sweep you off of your feet and take you down the river of marriage with its rapids and with its waterfalls but the bond of love would always keep you afloat.Another example would be whenever he got beat up.He would almost take it with humor ,like"well at least they aren't kicking me in the head."My point is that I believe that there is a light at he end of Juniors tunnel that's getting brighter with very chapter!
Thank you for such a detailed analysis and your optimistic foreshadowing of Junior's outcome. It takes tremendous character to make the best out of unfavorable circumstances which is why this story is so inspirational. (To me anyway.)
"'Hey Penelope,' I say. 'Don't give up.'"
Arnold says that what he said was probably really cheesy and corny but I can really understand why she starts to cry. The main reason why she begins to cry is not only because, like she says in the book, shes lonely and everyone thinks she's perfect but really she is scared, but also because of the way that she lives her life and how everyone believes its normal. She talks about how she is bulimic like it's a normal thing and like he shouldn't really be surprised. But when Arnold says, in his own way, that throwing up isn't normal and that she shouldn't do it as a way to just flush all the pain away, I think that's when he really got to her. I am pretty sure that the people around her and her "friends" know that she is the way she is and it is because of them that she thinks its okay and normal. So when Arnold comes along and tells her to not give up, it was like he was saying that pain isn't something you could throw up, it's something you can conquer by not giving up.
I really love the way you described how she feels about the whole situation and it's also something that really connects to the way a bunch of girls feel today.
"I was so ashamed. I might have impressed the king, but the queen still hated me. I guess my grandmother didn't know everything"
This quote was really interesting to me, since all he wanted to was fit in and make it in the world, but he was disappointed at a pretty girl not knowing his name. Although this book does put my life into perspective, it also shows that people living in poverty still feel the same petty feelings and get disappointed at small things as well. This just showed me how even if you climb one of your mountains, there are still many in your path to become successful.
"We all have pain"
I chose this because no matter who you are this applies to you. No one single person can go through there life not experiencing pain. It is one of the things that happens in life that is not controllable no matter what. Pain will always be a problems humans have. So rather than try to be exempt of pain or despise it, we all mine as well be grateful that we can feel. Maybe there is more aspects to life that us humans do not know about. But that is something we may never figure out. Life is ever changing in the future and there is no controlling that either.
I also think that this quote has been represented a lot in the book because he always describes all of the people he interacts with and some type of problem they have.
"90% of me wanted to take that break. But I knew that if I took that break I would need make the team.
"I'll take him on again" I said
I love this bit. This goes back to the "My First Life Line" and my quote from last time about Mr.P and his sister's dreams. Him, his sister and the boy (William) in the first essay I read all tried hard and adults saw that and encouraged them. And while "Mary Runs Away" may not have reached her dreams, I believe that Junior will. He has people like Coach, Roger, Penelope, his parents, his sister, his grandma and to some extent Eugene. His has people who will say they are proud of him and want the best for him. They give him value. I wish that every kid had those types of people to give value to him. To label him with a price-tag that is so much more than money can buy because he is him, and there will never be another you.
So profound that you posted it twice! People often underestimate their own value, so having people to remind them of their worth is essential.
"He was only teaching us how to sleep with our eyes open"
This quote was really surprising to me because he left his old school thinking he was going to start learning more,but school just seemed to become more boring for him after he switched. This makes me think that there isnt a difference in the actual learning part of school for him even if the books for the other school were old or not. One thing that I think the new school has also done for him is help destroy his past relationships with his friends ,but on the other hand it has also help him build some to.
Why do you think it became more boring? Explain. Do you think he made the right decision?
"If you're good at it, and you love it, and it helps you navigate the river of the world, then it can't be wrong"
I think that this is a good quote. This quote really stuck me, Because when you think about, it really is true. This was the advice that was given to Arnold, about his compassion for cartooning, and when that was said, all I could think about was my passions, and how they helped me find myself, and how they help me day to day. I think that this quote, said to anyone, could help them realize that what they like to do, however weird it might be, it is not wrong, and will never be.
“Don’t get me wrong. I think weird is great. I mean, if you look at all the great people in history Einstein, Michelangelo, Emily Dickson - then you're looking at a bunch of weird people.”
This quote brought me back to the activity that we did in class about people who contributed the most to the United States. When you look back on the people who contributed significantly to different fields, they all are “weird". Almost every great inventor, every great writer, and Anyone who has significantly done something, has been very eccentric. And this is a point that is brought up a lot throughout this book, with Junior being a very strange person, he is also capable of many things. This is shown later when he finds out that he is smarter than most of the kids at his new school, and in a way he's using his “weirdness" to overcome other challenges.
Yes, it takes a unique person to think outside the box, and a brave person to go against the conventions of society. How do you see yourself?
we all cried in the locker room for hours
This quote was really surprising and Sad to me Because of his sad I can understand the Their grief into power to hold up the future home of such spiritual support of their hearts I think the new school very good so i think every storm runs, runs out of rain.Just like every dark night turns into day.
Very poetic. :)
Quote: "if you're good at it and you love it and It helps you navigate the river of the world then it can't be wrong." Page 95
This quote really stood out to me because I can really make a connection from this reading to what we do in class as well as real life. When I first saw this quote, I realized how true this is. Many people experiencing life, don't always have the same events happening them as the person next to them. Most of us have to find something to believe in, to help guide us to make the right decisions when it comes time to. When we do, we know that our source can't be wrong, because it's helped us so. I personally connect to this, because over the years I have used great literature to teach me skills that have helped me socially and academically.
"Most of us have to find something to believe in."---I love that line in your response!
"The World, even the smallest parts of it, is filled with things you don't know." Page 97
This quote really kept me thinking for awhile. Just like the book said it really is a huge idea, its insane to think that in a world we've been apart of for so long and we still know so little. Thinking about this quote made me realize that the ocean is still considered that 99% of the ocean is still unexplored. Also that we know more about space rather than our oceans, and that 500 people have been sent to space and that 3 have been to the deepest part of our oceans. Still after reading this from the book i'm very surprised it has me thinking so much.
"He paid me some respect"
Junior felt like he gained respect from a person bigger and stronger for once in his life. He couldn't take the things that Roger was saying to him and Junior put an end to the bullying and was getting respect from the toughest guy in school. I'm not saying violence is the solution for everything but in this case that is how the problem was solved.
Nice start Hesham, next time try to deliver less summary of the text and more analysis. :)
"I wanted to cuss at him. I wanted to tell him that I thought I was being courageous, and that i was trying to fix my broken friendship with Rowdy, and that I missed him, and that if that was gay, then okay, I was the gayest dude in the world. But I didn't say any of that."
I started to think about what would have happened if he actually spoke his mind and the many different possibilities with the most likely being him getting beat up once again. I also noticed that he would embrace the fact that he was gay if it would help him get back together with his best friend, that's how much he cared about that friendship.
You need a little more analysis my dear. :)
"Because I want to build something beautiful. Because I want to remembered." (page.133)
This quote brought tears to my eyes since this relates a lot to myself. I admire the fact on how Junior says "it was my dream too." It just shows that no matter where you come from rich or poor, you can dream as big as you want. When growing up I had so many dreams and opportunities that came to mind,and now since I'm slowly pursing those dreams one step at the time it just makes me feel better about myself. With that being said, I can really feel the vibe from where Penelope's coming from and I can't wait to see whats in store for her in the future .
"My dad was home and sober, and he gave me a dollar. He was almost always home and sober and generous on Halloween"
I found a lot of significance in a lot of the reading I did, however I tried to pick a insert from the reading that I didn't see other people choose. His father giving him a dollar was mentioned in the reading before. He gave junior a dollar to buy lunch, I don't know how much school lunch costs in Arizona but its got to be pretty mediocre to cost a dollar but that's besides the point. Its simple moments like this that junior treasures. The fact that his dad is home and sober My parents are always home and sober, more than I would like LOL but its crucial for me to stop and acknowledge that many kids are living in homes where they might not see their dad until 10:00 at night. Another thing is the value of a dollar. Ill blow a dollar in five seconds at seven eleven to get some Arizona ice tea that I am not even thirsty enough to drink all the way. But in this financial crisis some of us have to make that dollar stretch to every cent possible. This reading so far has taught me to stop and reflect on how good I have life and remember that nothing is guaranteed.
Wow! Noah, there are so many aspects of your response that I want to respond to! I was just talking to my sister-in-law who teaches kindergarten, and she was telling me that significant portion of her students do not have a father in the home. They are either dead or in prison. When my brother and I grew up without our dad, he used to make up stories about who our dad was and what he was doing. A parent's absence, whether it's a mother or a father definitely impacts your upbringing. It's great to hear that this text has caused you to appreciate your own family situation. :) You should share it with your parents!
"I felt like two different people inside one body."
I feel that this quote really shows the struggles junior is facing as a student, a son, and as a friend. He puts up so many different personalities from being a quite poor indian transfer student, to being a traitor of his tribe, and loosing his only friend who he was truly himself with. At this point in the book Junior is facing struggles of trying to fit in the best he can for both lives he has decided to take on. I think that this quote should show that we should help others who feel like they are left out and we become the difference.
"He paid me some respect. He paid respect to Eugene and his bike."
I chose this quote because it shows how us humans really work, we need respect from one another in order to function around them or even feel free to be around others. The face that he was so surprised when he got the respect he so wanted just goes to show how different it is between his reservation and this new school. Usually you would think to just get respect from everyone until you no longer deserve it, but he actually had to stand up for himself just to get the slightest amount of respect from someone and I'm sure it felt great, considering where he comes from.
" My fellow tribe members saw me and they all stopped cheering, talking, and moving"
Its so clear that ever since Junior left the rez school he has been hit with a series of mixed responses from hate to support. They call him a traitor and selfish. But, I believe that, sometimes, you need to be a little selfish. We live in a world of opportunity, and the winners are the opportunists. I was taught to take every chance that I could get to become successful. So, no I do not believe that Junior is abandoning his people. But, what I don't like is the fact that, he is choosing and trying to balance a double life. Its important to know who you are and where you come from and to be proud. If don't love yourself, then how can anyone else? Then again, he's only a young teen, still making mistakes and discovering who he really is and what he really wants out of life. And this is what makes him so real, its so easy for me to connect with this character on a personal level and I look up to him so much for his strength, bravery, and compassion.
Write something about yourself. No need to be fancy, just an overview.