This made me wonder most of all, it made my wonder why? Why could people have jumped from one story to another, a young girl cries out that she has been bewitched by a friend and then in the same day the girl cries out that her friend is now innocent. Where people that afraid then to someone they could not understand? I know they did not have the knowledge we have today but they where still humans, they where still people with brains and processed thinking. How could there have been people that would have not used the gift of their brain to their help, the go wit one story to the next, to believe a girl who had no evidence other then a spiritual claim. How they hung so many innocent people that had no crime to pay for, it makes me wonder why and how we where able to move from that. How it was such a hard strict way of thinking, it makes me wonder how we could have envoled from that strict life into what we are now.
I agree that its inconceivable how we have changed from such a strict time and now we have so much freedom.
This was really weird to me also, how could they take a person's word so seriously and hang so many people with little to no proof of any of these things actually happening
Yeah it's crazy that people still believed this girl after the story had changed so many times!
I cant believe the court still took her seriously when she was obviously making things up as she went.
Yeah people mustve been pretty uneducated at the time to believe those claims. And it seemed that whoever had the smarts to not participate in the trials where then accused anyway.
I think its very interesting to look at how so much was held from us and then we are given so much freedom today.
People today do not all see the Bible the same way
This really made me think about how wild it is that one girl could manipulate so many people. Abigail starts out seeming like a caring compassionate person but then when the doors are closed she turns on everyone and revealed her true motives, to destroy a marriage. It also makes me think about how theocrasy really ruined the town of salem. They used reciting the ten commandments as an interrogation tactic, to prove or disprove a person was practicing witchcraft. That does not seem like an appropriate way to ensure a satan free lifestyle. I also thought it was interesting how John Proctor would have a short temper towards his wife and lash out at her, and then he would go and protect her from being persecuted for being a witch. I felt like he did this out of remorse for what he did to her, and guilt knowing she was being framed and he caused it.
I agree! Reciting the ten commandments was a really weird way to tell if someone was worshipping Satan or not.
I also agree it was and interesting part of the story.
yeah just because i cant recite one rule of the fight club doesnt mean i am not in the fight club
I totally agree with what you said about how surprising it was that they used things like asking people to recite the ten commandments as evidence in court and how seriously they took it.
I also found it interesting the contrast between Proctor's temper to his wife and than how he "heroically" went to try and save his wife from being persecuted. It shows the imperfection that went on behind closed doors, but were eventually brought in those dark times.
I think this play was really odd. Of course it seems odd to us nowadays, but I wonder if anyone else back then heard of all of these witch trials and felt a little sceptical. I'm sure there were some people who weren't totally sold that these regular people were making pacts with Lucifer and doing satanic rituals. Maybe a lot of people were sceptical, but didn't say anything because they might have gotten hung or tortured. This is what interested me the most in this long play.
I agree! I feel like if I was in that time I would have been really skeptical about all these people being executed for worshiping satan.
I agree with what you said about how although some people were skeptical of the suspicions, they kept their mouths shut out of fear of being hanged. It was a really odd time back then and I'm glad it's not like that anymore.
I wondered that too!
I agree it was actually pretty funny to see grown men believe that stuff.
I know right?! It's really just child's play. How could they be so gullible?
It was also crazy that people could be killed for trying to tell the truth there fore most just lied and admitted to crimes they hadn't committed.
I wondered the same thing about the skepticism, however during this time people were very susceptible to supernatural explanations because of their theologies.
I agree, if I was to be in that time I don't know what I would've done really. It seems like neither side had enough proof to support their idea.
I'm not sure if everyone really did believe those stories either, maybe everyone just wanted a reason to be able to get back at the person they don't like the most.
I really wonder how people's thought processes worked back then, how daily life was and how weird it would seem to us.
I liked this story. It was interesting and jumpy, but it was jumpy in a good way. It kind of grabbed your attention back when there was a twist like how the bewitched girls blamed all the others in act three I believe. I also enjoyed how the story was in an old tense of english. It made me understand better where the story came from because I could picture the era that they were in. Overall it was a great play and portrayed very well with good presentation aspects.
I agree with you I also think that the story jumped around a little bit.
I agree with you, the story had a lot of variation and change within themes and moods making it really interesting and made me curious for more.
I agree, this play definitely was an attention grabber! Its interesting to see the language they spoke and all their thought processes too.
This play made me think that people will do practically anything to save themselves. Throughout the whole play, Abigail and her friends continued to blame their own acts on others, creating excuses as they could to save their own skin. I couldn't believe that she went so far as to let other people die for crimes they did not commit and felt no shame for it either. It also made me think about how it was such a different time back then in the court system, especially dealing with things like witches and the Devil. Even though they had no hard evidence other than people's word, they found that credible enough to trust. They just assumed that each person was telling the truth even though during this particular case, hardly anyone did. I think that times have changed a lot for the better since then, especially in law, and I am grateful they have.
I like how you summed up those examples. It was a very deceiving story as you said.
Yeah!! It is insane how they can say someone is going to die based on someone saying something.
I agree it was very desperate and childish of them to scoop so low and start something very unnecessary.
I think that that their lives back in Salem were so different from our own that it's almost hard to fathom. If Something like this were to happen to day I think no one would have died but those girls would have probably been charged with attempted murder, or something. Although I am curious how no one stopped to think that the girls were lying. Mainly how Abigail was making most of the claims. Wouldn't you have put two and two together? Or did they just assume she was the most unlucky girl on the whole planet? I feel that no one really questioned it because everyone got a benefit-except the people who hung. Although in the end Abigail didn't get John Proctor wish is sad that he died but I feel it was good that Abigail didn't get what she wanted.
Yeah, I think it is good how she didn't get what she wanted too!
I agree that it is very strange that everyone believed Abigail. However, I think that people might have been deluded by their belief that God was talking through the girls. Religion both protected and enabled them.
I agree, that was really bothering me too that no one really questioned Abigail or the other girls! They just went into random fits and everyone went 'on my, the only explanation is witchcraft!'
This play enforces the belief that people are generally selfish, and will do anything to save themselves. In the beginning Abigail comes off as a sweet girl, up until the point that affair brought up. From that point on you see Abigail's true side. Her and her friends plot against everyone when they discover that confessing they were involved in witchcraft, is actually better than denying it. When they start accusing others, Salem erupts in chaos and many people are arrested and sentenced to death. I can't believe that Abigail and the other guilty friends felt no remorse when accusing the others, especially when they were responsible for many deaths. The court system is also confusing in the sense that the only facts needed was for someone to testify against you, with no proof necessarily. This is so unlike today, and this is almost the same as the Red Scare in which McCarthyism was involved too.
Good observation about the selfishness, I never considered that.
I agree with your estimation of Abigail, but I think that there were also a lot of instances in which people showed altruism. Here the court is also different, with the accused being guilty until proven innocent, which is one of the reasons courts today are innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
I love your insight on selfishness. I really think that its part of human nature to be selfish and opportunistic. A little bit sort of like "Survival of the fittest" in a small sense i guess. Not sure if you'll catch my drift. But, I guess that morals and ethics with religion are to keep those natures of selfishness and incautiousness condemned, in a way.
I agree with Emily many people were selfish back then.
"A fire, a fire is burning. I hear the boot of Lucifer, I see his filthy face! And it is my face, and yours, Danforth! For them that quail to bring men out of ignorance, as I have quailed, and as you quail now when you know in all your black hearts that this be fraud- God damns our kind especially, and we will burn, we will burn together!"
The last two acts of The Crucible, showed some of the basic traits of humanity, both good and bad. We were shown how, in the same situation, people responded differently. Some, like Mary Warren, when she was accused of witch craft, condemned an innocent man to save herself. Proctor wasn't perfect by any means, but he acted very differently than Mary Warrens, when faced with the same choices. He chose to confess to adultery in order to save his wife. After he is imprisoned and tortured, he lied to escape death, but would not condemn others as he confessed. In the end, he chooses to uphold his own code of morality and will not allow his lie to be held up to pacify the community while good people are hanging. Especially good people who were wrongly accused. In the quote, Proctor is saying that the trials and the hanging are evil and motivated by the Devil. He is also saying that men like Danforth are murderers and will burn in hell because they know that what they're doing is wrong. They know that they're condemning innocent people. I think this play is a beautiful and tragic display of the light and dark of human nature. Does the desire for self preservation overcome a person's morals and the truth? The people who confessed and named other people as witches KNEW that they were lying. However, altruism is arguably also a strong human trait, and made a frequent appearance in The Crucible. Even Mary Warren confessed that she lied and was willing to take the punishment of that to help free the wrongly accused.
I find it hard to express the feelings I had at the completion of the reading. I will honestly say that I cried, because I was overwhelmed by the two conflicting sides of human nature that were being expressed simultaneously. The highest aspect of ourselves, and the lowest. I felt this weird mixture of heartache and horror when Elizabeth denied her husband's adultery,which he had confessed to save her life, in order that his reputation might be saved. I wanted to scream at her, that she should just tell the truth because I knew it would save her. However, at the same time, when she said "no", I was stunned and in love with her loyalty and desire to protect her husband. They were losing love in their relationship, but she still protected him, at the expense of her morals, and unknowingly, her life. I was rattled, taken aback, and sickened by what one human would do to another. And even more disturbed, that it was all justified because it was in the name of religion. The contrast between something so basically wrong and so unattainably perfect, made me regard The Crucible as breathtakingly beautiful.
I wonder what the motivation of Danforth and even girls like Ruth was. Abigail was easy to understand, she wanted Proctor. The different farmers that accused each other wanted land. What did Danforth want? Was he really deceived? How could he send innocent people to their deaths in good conscience?
Stunning insights and choice of phrasing. Excellent.
I, too, was both horrified and pleased with Elizabeth at the same time. I so wanted her name to be cleared, but I thought it was so admirable that she lied to the court to save her husband. Beautiful analysis!
This is one of the best commentaries on this play that I have ever read. Thank you for your honest and in depth analysis. :)
One of the most interesting facets of this story is the character John Proctor. He is abusive and loving to his wife Elisabeth; a sinner and a guilty lover. It seemed clear in the beginning he did not care for Elisabeth, and yet in the end he was willing to soil his name in her defence. Proctor understood how wrong it was for Abigail to punish his wife for his own sins. She was the clear antagonist of this story; driving a large majority of the plot and causing pain for many of the characters.
I wonder how she justifies her lies to god. As a religious woman she must believe he/she see's her wrongs.
I totally agree. I wonder how she could justify it to herself.
Very good point!
This play was really fun to watch my classmates act our. I feel what abigail did was inhuman almost. It shows how fast people can turn on one another. This play was odd thought if people still acted like today it would be total anarchy.These people would turn on anyone just to be safe from people accusing them. I really had mixed feeling about this play but overall i stilled learned something.
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This play, definitely made learning about history awesome! The whole time it kept me with wanting more. The whole thing about all of the girls lying about everything was crazy. Having our class act it out, really helped me to fully understand and have a lot of fun going through this story. This play, is one of the best things that I have ever read. It was really crazy to read that people could be sentenced to be hung, just because someone said they were a witch. The "Evidence" they had back then was just people saying they were being honest. Being Proctor, I felt super bad for the guy. He stepped up with a few of his friends to actually fight the authority. He then got blamed for being a servant of the devil. I give the guy major props though. He came out with a sin that would have destroyed his name for his wife. It really showed how much he valued his wife. I really felt bad for the guy, he knew he messed up by cheating on his wife and when he constantly is asking for her forgiveness, she tells him she can't grant him forgiveness. It seemed like he knew he had nothing to lose, so he figured he would just go out with his faith and love for his wife.
Yeah I totally agree with you. This was a very intense play, with a lot of exciting details that kept you reading. I agree with you when you pointed out the lack of evidence. As well as how Proctor had sinned, but remained faithful and pure at the very end.
Isaac- we have very similar posts! This is interesting, because even though I didn't mention it in my post, I also had thoughts about Proctor that were similar to yours. I do agree with you that he "gave in" because he had nothing to lose. By the way, you did a pretty nice job at acting it out!
Your right! This play was really intense towards the middle of the play. It also helped me learn better when my classmates acted it out.
The witch trials took place in a time period where women had very little power. Its interesting to see how the women like Abigail and Ann Putnam suddenly gain authority with the ability to accuse others of Witchcraft. When Abigail makes the outburst in act one, "I want to open myself! . . . I want the light of God, I want the sweet love of Jesus! I danced for the Devil; I saw him, I wrote in his book; I go back to Jesus; I kiss His hand. I saw Sarah Good with the Devil! I saw Goody Osburn with the Devil! I saw Bridget Bishop with the Devil!" In a way she is suddenly given the authority of a man. People are listening to her and they care about what she has to say. Elisabeth just minds her own business and butchered in the gossip world for it, even tried as a witch! The women given the most power in this play are the ones who accuse others. I wonder if this is done on purpose as part of the message of the crucible, or if it is just a consistent theme throughout history that women have to endanger other women to succeed? Of course in the end Abigail does not get what she wanted, John proctor, but in a way she is the catalyst of the entire story. Without her drama, and deceit, it might have happened much differently.
Its interesting how they were able to get what they want and gain power by making accusation about other women in the town.
I totally agree with what you were talking about, Chloe. Especially the part where you mentioned that women have to endanger other women to get (or feel), power. I think that this is a pretty interesting aspect, since it relates pretty well to modern things. It reminds me a lot of Mean Girls. Anyway, I think that you brought up some really interesting points, and I agree with you.
I really love your perspective on the story and the power it gave the women; I didn't really think about power struggles while reading it.
I felt very unsatisfied with the way the story turned out so far. After watching tons of cartoons and growing up around stories where lying always ended badly, it was weird and felt wrong to see it actually work out for Abigail. It sucked to see so many deaths happen over such a selfish lie but it also made the story very interesting and amazed me how far it went. It scared me too on how much power these women had that they could lie all day and control who they want and somehow still be untouchable.
I know! People will do almost anything to escape trouble. I agree that its scary that someone can come up with lies and get executed
I love your connection with the cartoons! It is strange to see the "villain" win in this play. Most the time they loose and so the whole time in this play i was waiting for abby to get found out. Yet, she never did.
Very frustrating in my opinion!
The story isn't completely over so we don't know if it ends up badly for Abigail or not.
I thought that this play was phenomenal! It was very intense though, it brought to light the imperfections that happen when you try to force two things, the church and government, to work as one. I found it hard at times to believe it was based on true events, because of how "in your face" it was written. The one thing that really stood out to me is how it started with the hatred of someone's wife. I could feel the lies of niceness from Abigail when she was around others, but the pure jealously when she was alone. I felt more connected with the play, especially when we had people acting it out in class. I think that the overall focus of this, was to reflect on history, as well as show what happens when you try to let dishonesty protect you. You end up spirally out of control with sometimes catastrophic results, because you chose not to be honest and faithful to yourself. That is probably the one thing I think people should really take away from this, is that even when something you believe in is disregarded by others, you should never let that disregard beat you down, and you should stand strong and faithful to yourself.
Yea ! Even though I was only there for 1 day of acting i also belive that it helped me learn it through kind of playing the parts of these people.
Throughout the reading there are many fine examples of betrayal and deception . The first example of betrayal/deception was when the first group of people was accused of witchcraft. They tried to lie and say they weren't doing anything wrong, but later learned that they could pass it off onto many others by confessing. This worked because they claimed that they were drawn by the devil and able to bring a bunch of other people in for accusing with them. Another example of betrayal and deception was when people were accusing each other to settle old hatred for each other. I think that this shows how people can change their problem into multiple problems for other people.
I think it was interesting the way you looked at it. I felt you used great examples of betrayal, and I agree with the point you made.
I think that this story just truly showed the problems with theocracy. The judge instantly judged John Proctor when learning he missed sabbath on several occasion and even hinted that his wife was guilty based of this information. Also a lot of the evidence brought up in court was circumstantial. For example Giles wife was considered a witch after she supposably cursed a farmer from owning goats yet there was no proof. It just goes to show how flawed the court system was and how much it has improved.
Jackson you have a great point here. I would love to discuss this further sometime after school.
This play was really powerful. I thought that the story seemed very dramatic and kind of like a modern TV show. I really enjoyed acting out the play in class compared to reading it individually. When we were acting it in the class, it made learning this history really enjoyable, and very easy to follow and understand. I feel that we should try to do this more commonly, because it seems like most people are agreeing with me in that it is very helpful. I do think that we should have more specific roles, though, since in our class people kept changing characters (which got quite confusing). Ultimately, acting out the play in the class made me wonder how realistic the play was, and how fictional it was. I could certainly see it being mainly true, but it wold be interesting to see a laid-out comparison between true, and play.
I was overall happy with this "project," and I think we should definitely do more of these. I would say that the most confusing part of the play reading was the beginning of act 4. It was hard to follow what was going on, but eventually it cleared up.
I totally agree! I loved having something as simple as reading become so fun and interactive! I definitely agree that we should do more of these acting books in class activity/project things.
This is great feedback about the process Dylan. However, the prompt is asking about the play content. :)
And we will go over what really happened on Monday.
I try to let as many people participate as possible so that is why we change roles but maybe I could make big name tags so people can keep track?
I found this play to be insightful to the extent that people will go to in order to protect and save themselves. In the play there are many accusations thrown around between the characters. After the girls are caught dancing in the Forest, Abigail knows that she will be questioned and accused of witchcraft. In order to stop this from happening she denies everything and convinces the other girls to not admit to anything that they had done other then dancing. From the way that she was pretrade in the reading, Abigail is very forceful in trying to prevent any of the girls from confessing. Later in the play when Tituba is questioned, she admits to more than just dancing. When she does this she realizes that there is a scapegoat. As soon as she starts to blame all of the other women in the town, Abigail and The others join in on blaming everyone else for what they had done. This shows that even though they claimed to be good Christian women, they were willing to do anything in order to protect themselves.
I really liked how you put this together. Its crazy how people are so selfish.
Yes, this is truly a study in human character. Everyone is so afraid of shame and death, that they'll blame anyone to avoid it.
I found it very Interesting how Abigail could manipulate so many people and even get a loyal group of followers just to create an anecdote about how they were attacked by all these different spirits while they were in the courtroom and how everyone actually believed them and they were not needed to prove evidence as the supernatural occurrences could not be proven but were obviously real from the reactions on the girls faces. I also think that the judges were 100% at fault when even presented by Giles that this was a fraud to scam people out of their land and property the judges simply asked for proof and when no circumstantial evidence was provided giles was almost arrested for disrupting the court.
I like the way on how you formulated your thoughts. You really provided a thorough analysis of what happened throughout the end of the book which made it better to understand
When I read this, I had a main kinda thought resting with me. And it is that they are not smart. Not one bit of scientific knowledge rest in them. But what they do know is theology. And It is all they know. So when I read through it, I would think of the clear reason and logic that could o against it, but that they would never use. I felt like the only one with sense was Proctor, even though he was not a good person. He was abusive mean, and an adulterer, but he knew that things were not right, and he sought to try to get out of this bad situation. I just wonder what would have happened if they tried A little bit of rational thought. If they looked, and they said, "Do I trust these girls, with their ever-changing stories, and the hard proof that says that they are planting witch traps?" Then most of this wouldn't have happened.
I agree with what you said, but I think this may of been exaggerated as a play, and in the real situation, it may be more believable. but this is a reflection on the play so i guess that is fine.
I completely agree with everything you have just said! If everyone just calmly walked through the events someone would slip up and they would be able to learn the truth.
I totally agree with your thoughts and reasoning. When you said you had a thought resting inside you, I found that very powerful.
I realy like this play. It make me thing about all innocent people died just becaouse of someone's caprice. Not only in this story but in generaly in history of entire world. Abigale and her friends are little Hitlers. It is impossible how one common girl can manipulate entire society. It is bit silly. I can only find reason in obsession for one church, religion and eveything that was going outside this should be punished in a cruel way. Even if those are just fictitious and lies of eight year old girl.
I'm going to have disagree, comparing her to Hitler doesn't make sense. I understand what you meant though, that she was basically manipulating everyone but at the same time not really. Everyone saw a chance for vengeance and took it. In the part when the girl that laying on the floor (I forgot her name) betty I think, she named someone who was with the devil, then everyone began accusing other people.
I agree with Eddie a lot of people were accusing each other for different things.
This made me really wounder how much sanity people had in these days. I mean they took the word of a young girl that these people were guilty, and hung them for it, and then do nothing when she disappears for good. Plus the judge was just to worried about his reputation to make anything right so to many people had to die.
You made me re-think my opinion on the judge!
What I thought was very interesting, was how they used witchcraft to fulfill their greed. Throughout history there is always been backstabbing, but typically it was done by stabbing someone in the back usually with a knife or other sharp object. But after they realized they could get away with it legally by accusing someone of being a witch, murder became so much simpler. It was also surprising that no one looked for a persons incentive of accusing someone of being a witch, and almost blindly followed what they told. I found it very interesting that the court system took evidence based on absolutely no proof. It also amazes me how they always said this was such a respectable judgment system and to trust in the fairness of it, but they carried out their governmental duties like a bunch of idiots. I'm sure it may of been fear of the unknown that drove them to accept such rash accusations, But this does not justify their actions. But I think it's also possible for people to future to come look back upon our court system today and think nearly the same thing, it could be that we were never put into the situation,so we would have no idea what it's like. Now with our expansive system of communication, we know that such things are based upon opinion and should not be taken so seriously, but back then being isolated in the Americas, it's not so hard to believe such a thing, especially when your entire society is founded upon religion. And after almost all of the people believed in witchcraft, I'm surprised the main character looked towards reason and logic before giving in to ridiculous accusations. But I really think this story can teach a great lesson on blindly looking up rumors. Lies can spread like a virus, once when one person hears it, they spread it to the people around them, soon your entire society is infested with this illness, I think it was quite surprising that the people who made up the story’s about witchcraft, most likely believed in witchcraft themselves, despite knowing that they themselves made up a story about it. I also think it's a good life lesson on acting upon a belief something that can't be proven but can't be disproven. I think we should not accept these as facts and not let it influence our legal system.
I like how you described your thoughts about the story and used examples from it and real life.
I so appreciate your response because it lacks ethnocentrism! It would be so easy to say, "how could they be so gullible" or something similar but that would be evaluating them based on our culture's standards. Simply because it take place in America, we have to consider differences in time period as well. Like you said, we are probably making decisions now that people in the future will scoff at. Well done Kane!
This play has given me a great insight on what it is like to live in such a time. Back then they were so superstitious and easily swayed through words. A whole lot of pointing fingers and blaming with little to no proof, other than words and promices. Everyone is so frantic to eliminate a deadly threat hidden somewhere amongst the people. its a very different culture which when presented to us almost seems insane. The fact that one girl can convince and entire community that certain individuals are cursed and a danger, with practically no proof other than her words seems insane. The consequences they face that are heavily influenced by their beliefs will push abigail to insane extents to protect herself and her friends. SO dramatic and emotional often changing direction with theme and mood; its funny I guess, it make our girl drama nowadays look like nothing. I guess life back the was more dramatic and a struggle so everything will seem insane. I enjoyed reading with my class and being presented with different styles of literature and it really mixed things up. I't definitely won't be something i would forget anytime soon.
I agree. The people during those times relied heavily on the word of God more than anything else.
I don't enjoy these kinds of stories and I never will. The amount fear mongering in this play/during the real time is huge! It takes place in the past, yes, but similar things happen even today. We may not be burning witches at the stake, but people are still afraid of the world and the innocent can still be condemned.
Abagail was especially bad, being incredibly manipulative and controlling. At first I thought she was legitimately innocent but she proved me wrong in no time at all. I really wonder how someone could begin accusing nearly everyone in their town of crimes and barely feel any kind of remorse just to save their own skin.
I totally agree that the innocent can still be accused of guilty, and with a lack of evidence, that is crazy. It actually kinda relates to the West Memphis 3 story. 3 guys were arrested for murder but there was very little evidence against them and they were in prison for like 15-20 years. It's like you're guilty until proven innocent which is crazy.
Wow this play. I thought my life was full of drama before this. It is amazing how someone can manipulate a whole society with lies. I am still amazed by that, even though I finished reading like an hour ago. I think this play shows how selfish people could be. I don't know about anyone else, but that makes me feel sad. Abigail risked the lives of others. The main thing that this play makes me wonder about is why and how humans could be so brutal to each other?
I totally agree with Isaac, this was so much fun! I loved being able to act out history, it really helped me in remembering the content.
On another note, the quote that I chose was when John said that they were lowering heaven and raising a whore. Wow. That really struck me at first and I really had to think and process what he had said. At first when I had learned about Abigail and her initial situation I felt interested in the way that she operated. At first glance I saw her as a young servant who had her parents brutally murdered. I was sympathetic towards her. And it had made sense to me that she wouldn't want word to spread about how this all started and what they were doing in the forest. If I were to be hanged from just one person confessing, I would probably get desperate too. But when she began harshly threatening the other girls, I had started disliking her. When she had intervened in John and Elizabeth's marriage and kept coming unto Jon, I disliked her even more. AND THEN, when she began to see "Mary's spirit coming onto her", forcing Mary to turn onto John, I started to get pissed off. It had gotten me so angry that she had scared all the other girls into almost a kind of cult where she would punish them if they wouldn't comply with her commands. It really ticked me off when it had gotten to the point where she was just acting childish (and admittedly smart) for using such an influential tool, yet so easily faked and with no proof, of witchcraft to her advantage and getting what she wants! Since I had played as Abigail, I had gotten a feel as to how she acted and I got so mad because she would use fear as a way of getting anything. But yet in the end John was hanged and she went off to be a prostitute in Boston. WHAT WAS HER POINT?!?! I had just gotten so angry that she was the reason and cause for ALL of this anger, despair, and death! And yet it meant nothing to her! But either way after reading the book I had felt that it was a very abrupt ending and it never really specified farther as to her perspective of the matter and how she got to where she got herself in the end. Even though I had hated her, I wanted to see more of her and her motives for being such a beotch. I wanted to know why she did the things she did, what she was trying to do, and what she wanted to get out of it. I wish the ending were more clear as to what happened afterwards.
So to kind of summarize my rambles, I had really thought about what John was saying about Abigail and it really got me wondering why Abigail did what she did. But I really felt that what Abigail had done was pointless in that all she had done was achieve nothing but the death of the one that she claimed she wanted.
I love your rambles!
This was a weird story but it spoke the truth though it was kinda of exaggerated with the witch craft and all of these problems. It felt like a Mexican soap opera or any in general. I thought this because it was just a fight over love, morals, and vengeance. I felt that this happens a lot in real life. Vengeance is a cruel things which often causes a domino effect. It doesn't necessarily need to be over love it can be over envy, jealousy, power, and hatred. In the play, every one was trying to get vengeance on each other because of one of these reasons. It was like survival of the fittest, framing one another so one can prosper from it in any way. My wonder is that we all say that vengeance is bad but I'm sure that everyone has committed an act that correlates with vengeance; if we know it's bad why do we do it?
Preach it Eddie! That's really true though, and I think that the reason that we do things even though we know it's bad is because that as humans we all have a little bit of selfishness inside and when we do things good or bad, sometimes we do it because of that selfishness or want of some kind of personal gain.
This play was really interesting in so many ways. The character that really caught my attention was Proctor because in the beginning we found out that he cheated on his wife, which made us think that he is not a very truthful guy. But once we came across the second scene, where Proctors wife was accused by Abigail, he started to defend her. He did not want them to take her and let them chain her, this made me realise that Proctor still loves his wife. Which was really suprising to me because I thought he didn't have any feelings for her in the beginning.
I agree! At first I thought he was kind of a joker when he said "maybe..." after Abigail had asked him if he had not looked into her window at night. I too felt like he was kind of in denial that he loved Abby, but in the end he stood for Elizabeth even up till his death.
Alexis, I agree with you 100%. Proctor did really love his wife, he didn't realize how much he did until they were going to take her away from him but at the same time he began to realize that his mistake has finally caught up with him.
I agree Alexis, it really just shows that the characters are very deceiving to the plot.
This story to me was very entertaining to read! I thought that it's so crazy to see how so many people could be fooled by one girl and how she could manipulate the other girls. To me this opened to my eyes of how our courts are today then how they could've been back in the day when people didn't have as much proof as we need in our courts today. A big eye opener was the Vengeance card being played by so many of the towns people. A wonder for me is would it actually be so hard to fool people into thinking such things? Given the power of manipulating people you could almost fool anyone about anything. If people could do this I think people would do it even if it wasn't for good.
Manipulation and instant betrayal were prime in this story. The character Abigail appeared as such an innocent girl in the beginning of the story. Then as time goes on you start to see her true behavior and how it really affected the town of Salem which was truly deceiving. That particular trait makes this story so unique since it consists of many twists throughout the plot of the story. It led to the point where it was a “free for all” scenario which led to many excuses in order to save one’s self. With the lack of tangible evidence, only spoken word was the most legitimate “evidence” in order to prove someone wrong back in the day. That example shows the weak spots in the court-system back in the day, and how it really changed for the better.
Yes, I agree with you, about the part when everyone was just trying to fight for themselves.
I really enjoyed this play, and it really made me think about the truth. There were so many different lies being told that it made the play a little difficult to keep up with at times, but it also made it very complex and deep. Each character had their own motives and all got sucked into the downfalls of a theocracy. I noticed greed come up a lot in the play, mostly with Abigail and her desire for John Proctor and with Mr. Putnam who wanted more property. My mom always said money is the root of all evil and I saw it come to life in this play. It also makes me wonder what it would be like to live in a time where people could accuse someone of being a witch and them getting hanged without any real evidence against them. That's terrifying to think that anyone could be accused of it, even kind, elderly women like Rebecca Nurse.
I also can't believe how ignorant and pompous the officials of this town were and just the sheer I idea of being hanged because if the someone else says is simply ludicrous.
I agree, think desire clouded Abigail's judgment, and would do anything to get what she wanted, even if it meant hurting people along the way.
I agree that Abigails need for Proctor changed so much of the story and peoples lives; accusing people of witchcraft was a huge deal.
I think that if I was put in John Proctor's position at the end I would also not lie and taint myself. John Proctor was redeemed in my eyes at the end of the play. He had the chose to either lie and condemn his name, or to stick with the truth and die a man who many people knew was innocent. At first he chose to combine both paths but when that failed he chose to try and redeem himself in the eyes of the Lord. I feel as though Elizabeth forgave John after he was hanged and decided to move on with her life. But I also feel that this experience caused many to lose their faith. I wonder how so many people fell for these lies and why even the thought of dancing was taboo. Personally I believe that had everyone kept a level head everything would have been sorted out, but because everyone was quick to anger, many people confessed and only made things worse.
I agree that it was really powerful how Proctor told the truth in the end and stuck with his morales.
The Crucible made me wonder how similar this play was to the real thing. It made me wonder how the court judges would react in our present times if they saw all we do normally now. Most of all it made me wonder how someone could wish death on others. When someone dies, they no longer can take all the opportunities life had in store for them, they no longer can experience and grow and learn. When you wish death on someone, you wish their families and loved ones a walk through hell to get over the loss. I don't think people think through their actions in present time and especially in this play. I think the girls actions were spontaneous and not well thought through. Overall though, i really enjoyed this play and all its frustrations. Its nice to change time periods every once in a while.
This play was awesome. Its crazy how so many people lied just to save themselves. False evidence caused people to be condemned to death. This play reminded me of The Lord of The Flies. The boys in that book killed each other just because they did not get along or they had their differences. They were selfish, just like in this play. People are savage in different ways, and this play shined light on to a different perspective of savagery.
I thought this play showed just how far people are willing to go out of jealousy and vengeance. Abigail was so blinded by jealousy she was doing anything to get what she wanted. She took advantage of the overly religious town to spread lies. She didn't hesitate to quickly start pointing fingers even if it could cost someones life. But it was not only Abigail who took advantage of the whole situation. Countless people were jumping at each others throats accusing each other of witchcraft out of pure jealousy. Although it's not as severe now there are people who still do crazy things out of jealousy.
This play made me wonder why people were so dang superstitious and crazy in the past. Like what sensible human being would blindly believe some story that a crazy girl came up with to avoid getting in trouble. Did people just not ask question? Was it normal to believe everything and anything a person said?
This story was just overall really interesting to me because it showed how everyone betrayed each other and blamed each other to avoid getting in trouble. The first case of this is when Abigail makes up her whole crazy story about witches and blames others for being witches just to avoid getting in trouble. The next case of this is when people start creating random stories to go along with the witch story so they can get people they don't like into trouble and to avoid getting persecuted themselves. Everyone is just putting the blame on the person next to them in any way they can. This story shows that even if you thought you were friends with someone, once it really comes down to it they will betray you just to save themselves.
Proctor did not sell out his friends. He let them choose their own fate
This is really just a story about blame. People really just keep spreading the blame, and by the end, everyone is blamed.
I see The Crucible as a love story...
*Where everyone is pointing fingers and everyone is evaluating their own conscience
*Where the accused, innocent people are hung or laid with heavy stone as they proclaim their unbroken love for God
*Where the guilty escapes
*Where one accused man has a chance to save his own life and that of others if he confesses that they all have been seen with the Devil. This man refuses to sell out his friends and even himself in the end even though his survival would bring a present father to his pregnant wife and three sons.
*And where one man is only worried about his political reputation in town
To be honest I loved the whole concept of supernatural occurrences and things they can't explain and the whole making deals with satan thing.....I hope that didn't sound weird. One thing that I noticed though, half of this story is pretty much a bunch of grown men pointing fingers at everyone (mostly women). Like stop acting like you're the only victim, they suffered too! They were mentally and spiritually tortured! Like honestly I feel bad for these women 'cause if I was being controlled like that I would be scared too! So many innocent people died. Like everything was set up in a way that would successfully ruin innocent people's lives!
This all became twisted. This modern world is similar in a way too. The news tells us everything is taking care of in an organized way. WHO ORGANIZED IT?!?! The ones calling the shots are the men in power. Do they make the rules too? When they call the shots are they thinking about who they will affect. Lives are at stake, do they actually care? Or are they just trying to save their selves and try not to look guilty doing it.
Similarly the men in power argued a bunch to spare their own in this play. I can not fully understand what they felt at that moment when they had to make a decision that would determine the fate of a human being's life, but I would assume that they would have helped those affected rather than killing them.
The play was fun to watch. It made learning history a lot more fun. This was a pretty interesting story. Its crazy how Abigail just started turning on people, and calling them witches. They took away Proctors wife, and I think after they took his wife away he realized how much he really love his wife.
Continuation. A lot of innocent peoples lives were being lost, because if they claimed they weren't a witch they would die, and if they claim that they were then they would stay alive with a harsh punishment. Its crazy how fast someone could accused of being a witch back then.
I agree, I too think it made learning the history a lot more fun.
I thought the play was interesting. To me, it’s really a commentary on the sad state of affairs that was Salem and the colonies back then. This is what begins to happen when religious extremism takes over. People are always talking about Islam and the extremists (which are a fairly small percentage), but I would bet that some other religions, especially Christianity, when put in the right circumstances would give very similar results. Religion and government tied together does not work, not having freedom of religion does not work. This is what I’ve learned from the play.
Think- I think that this reading was quite interesting. Not that it ended very well- almost everyone gets thrown in prison, dies, or escapes. However I enjoyed this ending because it wasn't the normal ending to any story. Variety is always important.
Feel- I feel that if I was put in the position of Procter I wouldn't lie to "taint myself" as Jonathan R. said in his reflection. I hope at least my morals would shine through in this position and I would feel the strength to tell the truth.
Wonder- What happens to Betty?!?!
It's hard to believe that this actually happened in the past, that people accused each other of being wizards and witches and were killed because it, even though there is never any real evidence besides peoples testimonies which also didn't have any back up evidence. In act three, it was crazy to me that the girls who were dancing and actually doing "witchcraft" accused everyone else of witchcraft instead. Just the whole idea that people used to think like that is almost surreal to me, that this is a story that did/could of happened.
I felt the same way! I was cringing through most of the play because it was so ludicrous to me that something like this would happen in real life.
What i wonder is why people where so hostile towards each other. Wether they accused each other through jealousy or resentment. If the salem witch trials where going on right now i probably would have been in trial a long time ago.
And the thing that bothers me the most is that the juror, Hanrick claims to have seen people possessed and bewitched in court.
This stuff never happened so that person had to have been lying through his teeth. And at the time you could accuse anybody. You didnt need proof. For some reason, whatever claim someone made was legitimate unless proven wrong. But they didn't have to be proven right? People back then where beyond stupid and that costed innocent lives.
I wonder is the pregnant women in custody are killed after they give birth, and the baby given to another, because they would have been dead long before if not already pregnant.
What I feel is that this PLAY is much better acted out then read alone. I found it confusing and hard to keep the characters straight, even though there were names beforehand.
What I think about the play is that it seems to have been written for the drama of it, and I find it hard to believe that this intense of a plot really happened.
I don’t think we can comprehend what it was like in the time the story plays. We don't know what they were believing in and we don't know what they thought for example while pursuing a witch. Maybe they thought: ¨this witch could kill the people i love if we don't catch her¨, and nothing else; or maybe there had also been some that thought differently. In fact it was the beliefs that made this time so different and through this so cruel. That's why i'm wondering if there is a belief in our time that could be false, cruel or something like this in the future. While reading this text, I felt more and more unsure if our time is as perfect as we think it is. We all should think about it and if we find something that could be wrong or odd, we should try to find other people that think like us and maybe try to change it. That's what changed the human behaviors to what they are now. Every difference could be an improvement even when we first don't know it.
It's especially interesting to me that all these people could be so close, yet so contemptuous towards each other. I've always lived in San Diego County, a place with more than three million inhabitants. There is plenty of room for contempt. However, Salem is a very small town at this point, and everyone seems to know each other. Everyone seems to be friends, a community of people who share the same beliefs. Yet they do not hesitate to blame each other, when accusations begin to surface. Interesting how a community that seems to be all about unity can fall into a pattern of disunity.
Yea !so true. I think it was just everyone trying to save themselves, so that's why they would blame others.Everyone was really scared!
This play made me feel angry and sad at the same time!I thought it was crazy that just because a lot of coincidences came together at once and how, with the belief of witchcraft it built itself up, to one really big tragic part of history. It was sad because these things really didn't have to happen, the blame just got pushed around from town member to town member.Old disputes were stirred up and people lied about others that they maybe disliked to have them removed/executed.It was also really difficult to read how the "witches" testifies to there supposed "evil" doings so that they would not be killed. Now that they had admitted that they had indeed "bewitched" people ,even if they were not executed ,how would they be treated in the future? After the trials? I'm guessing that they would be outcasts from society.The problem still isn't solved!
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