129 Comments
Carly
10/21/2013 09:58:32 am
"He had been likewise to all the stores and saloons for a mile about, begging for some little thing to do; and everywhere they had ordered him out, sometimes with curses, and not once even stopping to ask him a question."
Reply
Gage Gamboa
10/21/2013 11:38:14 am
Nice post Carly. I agree with your observation of Antanas' perseverance. I think that your closing statement about at least putting yourself out there can be applied to many of the characters in the book.
Reply
Meilani
10/21/2013 12:11:33 pm
I think that this is something a lot of people can relate to and I also agree with you. I also like that you focus on the positive of the situation (him getting a job) rather than the negative (he has to give part of his pay).
Reply
Sarah
10/21/2013 12:22:57 pm
I liked that you very clearly states your thoughts on the HOHAM. Your quote was interesting, I hadn't seen it in the way you did and the perspective was fresh.
Reply
Lance Shuler
10/21/2013 12:28:25 pm
Nice observation. He did find a good job but it's wage does seem very unfair for that time. It'll be a long time before he will be able to make the money back
Reply
Rachel Deaton
10/21/2013 12:44:34 pm
I completely agree with you Carlita. I was so proud of Antanas to keep looking for a job even though he was turned away. This shows that he will be a big help to the family.
Reply
Meranda Knowles
10/21/2013 01:06:41 pm
I think you did a great job not only reflecting on the reading but promoting self-advocacy. You tell how this HOHAM paid off when it was used in the reading, which shows that we should use it too!
Reply
Ysabella Dawson
10/21/2013 02:12:29 pm
You have a very good point that you posed here. he could have easily chosen to stay home and watch the kids, but instead he went out into the world and struggled through the bitterness for a place in it.
Reply
Sophia C.
10/21/2013 02:15:05 pm
I completely agree with you although I must say, sometimes it might be better not to be noticed at all, not a lot of the time though.
Reply
John Laine
10/21/2013 04:22:30 pm
I found what you wrote very spot on how that when he put him self out there he could get his name out there to get closer to his goal.
Reply
Tyler Felix
10/21/2013 10:05:41 am
"...it was the men who had to do all the dirty jobs, and so there was no deceiving them; and they caught the spirit of the place, and did like all the rest."
Reply
Gage Gamboa
10/21/2013 11:48:16 am
Excellent observations, Tyler. I enjoyed your comment about how Jurgis' perspective changed. I think that it was an important moment for Jurgis and it definitely affected his positive outlook on work.
Reply
Lance Shuler
10/21/2013 12:26:23 pm
Probably just finding another job or something. $2 for 12 hours seems a bit ridiculous, and you probably could get a bit more elsewhere.
Reply
Sophia C.
10/21/2013 02:17:22 pm
It does seem like that would be a huge perspective change, unfortunately, in that time, in those conditions, I'm pretty sure all of the work places were like that and he couldn't rise in that area even if he worked insanely hard for the rest of his life.
Reply
Vivian Mason
10/21/2013 02:57:00 pm
The question you pose at the end is very interesting and thought provoking. How you pushed to show how Jurgis's perspective changed was interesting and well thought out. It forces the reader to think about what it would have been like in Jurgis's shoes.
Reply
Gage Gamboa
10/21/2013 11:34:26 am
I chose to write about the Habit of Mind “perspective”. Near the middle of Chapter 5 (closer to the end than the beginning), Jurgis reflects on how he freely spoke his mind at work and then he begins to speak of his shock to learn that the other men that worked at the factory hated their work. In fact, the following sentences described how those men hated everything that had to do with the factory. They hated the bosses, the owners, the building, the neighborhood, and even the whole city. I think that this passage really speaks volumes on how one’s perspective can change their outlook on life. Jurgis is a recently hired immigrant who is immensely grateful and cheerful to even have a job. Throughout the passage, Jurgis’ state of mind is evident by his response and utter bewilderment as to how his fellow workers could feel so strongly about their work.
Reply
Meilani A
10/21/2013 12:08:21 pm
I strongly agree with you that someone's perspective can change their outlook. Do you think that even if they changed their perspective, their outlooks would be better despite their conditions?
Reply
Andrew Ledezma
10/21/2013 01:07:16 pm
I completely agree and I think the same perspective can be applied to our own lives. Jurgis is probably the only one happy to work at the factory.
Reply
Tess Herzog
10/21/2013 01:56:27 pm
I think you make a really great point, because anyone's situation can be considered good or bad. However, their perspective on it is what makes the difference.
Reply
Anthony Williams
10/21/2013 11:35:08 am
"Jurgis took it stolidly--he had made up his mind to it by this time. It was part of fate; they would manage it somehow-- he made his usual answer, 'I will work harder.'"
Reply
Sarah
10/21/2013 12:21:49 pm
I like the quote, it really went with self advocacy. But I felt you could have added more of your own thoughts and connection about its significance to the HOHAM.
Reply
Sarah Hardin
10/21/2013 02:54:02 pm
Great analysis, I agree with your position, but I want to know more about your thought process on the quote and the connection to the HOHAM:)
Reply
Meilani A
10/21/2013 12:02:20 pm
"Then he saw things in a different light, he got at the inside of them."
Reply
Rachel Deaton
10/21/2013 12:50:52 pm
Great post Meilani! I feel so sorry for Jurgis because he was so hopeful about this new beginning and now his hope has died down. His entire family has to work and he is already stressed about his job, house and family.
Reply
Salina
10/21/2013 01:40:59 pm
I really like how you say in the begining he was naive than hopeful which then changed to grim. I didn't see him as naive before I read this but now I see how he was.
Karen
10/21/2013 02:07:08 pm
I really liked how the quote you chose for your hoham. It was such a perfect quote to describe the different perspectives that could go along with it!
Reply
Jessica Pollock
10/21/2013 05:20:12 pm
I completely agree with your post! The quote you chose shows your HOHAM of perspective perfectly. I enjoyed the part where you said "on the outside looking in", I feel like a lot of the time people's perspectives change when they get a full view on what is going on rather than seeing a portion of the picture.
Reply
Lance Shuler
10/21/2013 12:24:44 pm
Supposition:
Reply
Rachel Deaton
10/21/2013 12:41:56 pm
I choose connection for this entry because I feel that many characters are experiencing the same horror. Antanas and Jonas are shocked by their jobs and what happens in the workplace. Jurgis of course sees it too but he is quite as affected as everyone else is. Ona and Jurgis both have positive attitudes and hope for the future. But I still sense that something truly bad is going to happen. Antanas is most likely going to get sick with tuberculosis because he has been coughing a lot. The connections between the horrors of the factory will just get stronger and the entire family is going to suffer.
Reply
Crystal
10/21/2013 01:36:12 pm
I agree with your observation and choice of HOHAM, Rachel! Connection and your analysis of it reeally shows how all these characters and themes are coming together.
Reply
Rachel M.
10/21/2013 02:50:18 pm
I agree! I like your predictions in your entry. Conflicts in stories can lead to really good predictions :)
Reply
Meranda Knowles
10/21/2013 12:43:40 pm
"Yet Jurgis did not mind it; he rather enjoyed it...It was not the pleasantest work one could think of, but it was necessary work; and what more had a man the right to ask than a chance to do something useful, and to get good pay for doing it?"
Reply
Andrew Ledezma
10/21/2013 01:09:44 pm
I like the how you implemented your HOHAM into the reading and I think you gave an interesting perspective on Jurgis's condition and work at the factory
Reply
Ryan Martinez
10/21/2013 01:37:57 pm
I really like how were able to add more quotes to support your reasoning.
Crystal
10/21/2013 01:38:33 pm
I couldn't agree with you more, Meranda! Your analysis is pristine and unlimited potential really ties into it perfectly with the characters views and mentality on the situations he is thrown into.
Reply
Salina
10/21/2013 01:43:24 pm
I really like that you put in extra quotes, this helped get your point across and make the reader understand and believe what your saying.
Reply
Hannah O
10/21/2013 02:13:26 pm
Meranda- I love the phrase you chose to do a thoughtful reflection on! You definitely made me realize that there was Unlimited Potential in Jurgis in this moment, an unlimited potential I hadn't seen. Very cool.
Reply
Ysabella Dawson
10/21/2013 02:14:19 pm
I liked how you used multiple quotes to prove your point in a thoughtful and detailed way.
Reply
Carly
10/21/2013 02:24:17 pm
Interesting, I hadn't thought about this way. I completely agree, Jurgis always seems willing to go above and beyond
Reply
Sarah
10/21/2013 12:50:55 pm
"It seemed strange, it was even terrible, when you came to find out the universality of the sentiment; but it was certainly the fact - they hated their work."
Reply
Meranda Knowles
10/21/2013 01:00:00 pm
I think you are completely right that his perspective was so different than all the other workers. I think that you did a good job reflecting on what on the reading and how his perspective is begging to change.
Reply
Carly
10/21/2013 02:26:34 pm
I completely agree, we can definitely see a lot of the main family's view changing as they continue to work. Fabulous job really showing Jurgis' view
Reply
Quentin Jackson
10/22/2013 02:57:00 pm
I agree with the idea of Jurgis's perspective changing. Jurgis is definitely the kind of person to not think about the working conditions within the business, and when he really thinks about it, can realize just how bad it can be.
Reply
Katie C
10/21/2013 12:58:26 pm
"It was quite touching, the zeal of people to see that his health and happiness were provided for."
Reply
Erik Salazar
10/21/2013 02:47:17 pm
I agree on how jurgis perspective on the scenario was more of a positive one rather than negative. As we learn jurgis's story we think how aul conditions were but jurgis feels humbled to have a job in the United States.
Reply
Julz Valencia
10/21/2013 11:49:56 pm
I agree with both of you. I think that he is looking at this situation with more of a happy attitude and he seems very pleased to have this job, but he hasn't yet changed his perspective on the situation.
Andrew Ledezma
10/21/2013 01:20:01 pm
“The distance was in reality over two miles, but Jurgis made two trips that night, each time with a huge pile of mattresses and bedding on his head, with bundles of clothing and bags and things tied up inside.”
Reply
Tess Herzog
10/21/2013 01:53:47 pm
I really like how you say that Jurgis is living the American dream in his own mind. It really gives a new perspective to his situation. Many would say that he is living in horrible conditions, but this shows the other side of the thought.
Reply
Xochitl Aguinaga
10/21/2013 03:02:29 pm
I like the insight you offer in this post, I agree completely.
Reply
Crystal Delgado
10/21/2013 01:34:42 pm
"So from the top to bottom the place is simply a seething cauldron of jealousies and hatreds; there is no loyalty or decency anywhere about it, there is no place in it where a man counted for anything against a dollar."
Reply
Sarah Hardin
10/21/2013 02:59:34 pm
I like your ideas, Crystal. I definitely see your perspective! (no pun intended). I think this story will be going in a very interesting direction! and even the story itself has unlimited potential:)
Reply
Ryan Martinez
10/21/2013 01:36:13 pm
"...he made his usual answer, "I will work harder." said Jurgis. For this quote I choose to pick is unlimited potential, because even though Jurgis is working in terrible working conditions, and in my opinion being payed less then he should be for the amount of work he is putting in. He still chooses to work harder, to support his family.
Reply
Karen
10/21/2013 02:09:28 pm
I really like the quote you chose, as well as a HOHAM. Cause I feel as if Unlimited potential isn't talked about much, and I liked how you incorporated it with the reading.
Reply
Vivian Mason
10/21/2013 02:59:32 pm
How could he working harder than the others? What might make him stand out? It would be nice to see you answer the questions I posed so as to go into more detail and explain more. :) Nice start!
Reply
Salina
10/21/2013 01:38:07 pm
Reply
Karye
10/21/2013 03:03:58 pm
I totally agree with your hoham. Self advocacy was a huge part and he never gave up and kept persevering. I thought it was interesting that he felt he was a burden.
Reply
Tess Herzog
10/21/2013 01:45:36 pm
“When he came home that night, he was in a very sombre mood, having begun to see at last how those might be right who had laughed at him for his faith in America.”
Reply
Hannah O
10/21/2013 02:09:11 pm
Tess- I found it really interesting the way you saw this quote, and also think you found one of the best quotes to reflect on.
Reply
Julz Valencia
10/21/2013 11:43:55 pm
I like the way you chose two HOHAM's because I'd have to say that just one wasn't enough. I think this quote is pretty deep and you explained it very well. I also agree with you that Jurgis has come to this realization, and it is not at all what he had initially thought.
Reply
Karen
10/21/2013 02:06:04 pm
Quote:
Reply
Adrian Schnepp
10/21/2013 02:41:32 pm
I thought that this post was interesting because it examined the more moral interplay between the two routes. But take into consideration, the monetary aspect means a lot to the immigrants who came to Packingtown. They had to make money through any means possible, to sustain themselves, to sustain their families. And the only way to advance in such a corrupt system was to lie, cheat, and cut corners. You gotta balance morality and your ability to survive.
Reply
Jessica Pollock
10/21/2013 05:23:07 pm
I feel like this quote could explain a lot of workers in todays world. People have stopped caring exactly what they are doing and have begun worrying purely on the money.
Reply
Adrian Schnepp
10/21/2013 02:06:09 pm
"But for the saving of time and fodder, it was the law that cows of that sort came along with the others, and whoever noticed it would tell the boss, and the boss would start up a conversation with the government inspector, and the two would stroll away. So in a trice the carcass of the cow would be cleaned out, and entrails would have vanished; it was Jurgis' task to slide them into the trap, calves and all, and on the floor below they took out these "slunk" calves, and butchered them for meat, and used even the skins of them."
Reply
Justin Walker
10/21/2013 06:56:10 pm
Your passage details the purpose and claims made with your quote in a professional manner. Bravo! I am quite impressed with how you applied a near-universally positive HOHAM with gloom and despair!
Reply
Michelle
10/22/2013 05:44:08 am
Insightful analysis and incredibly well worded!
Reply
Quentin Jackson
10/22/2013 02:50:37 pm
This is a very well worded passage, that truly shows the issue with the system, and explains it in an interesting way. Well done Adrian.
Reply
Ysabella Dawson
10/21/2013 02:09:49 pm
“And all the men of the same rank were pitted against each other; the accounts of each were kept separately, and every man lived in terror of losing his job, if another man made a better record than he. So from top to bottom the place was simply a seething cauldron of jealousies and hatreds; there was no loyalty or decency anywhere about it, there was no place in it where a man counted for anything against a dollar.”
Reply
Hannah O'Connell
10/21/2013 02:17:32 pm
Bella- The way you reflected on this really surprised me. The connection you had was absolutely perfect! I definitely agree with the way you relate the organized chaos to exhibition, and the significance of every job given. You used a lot of detail in this paragraph response and I got a beautiful picture in my mind.Brilliant imagery in you reflection. :)
Reply
Sophia C.
10/21/2013 02:13:51 pm
"The distance was in reality over two miles, but Jurgis made two trips that night, each time with a huge pile of mattresses and bedding on his head, with bundles of clothing and bags and things tied up inside."
Reply
Erik Salazar
10/21/2013 02:50:10 pm
I like the connection you made with jurgis and self advocacy. He does all he can to make sure that his family and him have the best life possible all with a smile on his face.
Reply
Jordan Garcia
10/21/2013 03:11:20 pm
I agree with you. Jurgis is taking advantage of his situation after finding out that everyone else in in bad working conditions as well. He now knows that he is on the same boat as many other people.
Reply
Hayes Sherr
10/21/2013 05:11:13 pm
I liked how you connected Jurgis and real-life to this quote because everything you said about this is true. Jurgis is doing a great job helping his family out.
Reply
Ryan Novak
10/21/2013 02:32:03 pm
" It would be but fair to them to say that the little boy was
Reply
Adrian Schnepp
10/21/2013 02:50:24 pm
Cooperation works up to a point, but the system is completely engineered to use the immigrants, grind them into the dust, use up every last ounce of life they have in them before throwing them out and leaving the on the streets to die. In the face of such adversary, in the face of such clinically engineered horror and business minded markets, how can a single family of poor immigrants hope to survive?
Reply
Jackson Walker
10/21/2013 03:09:18 pm
So far, I'd say, for immigrants, they are doing alright through cooperation. If they were split up, who knows how they would manage? How could they support a place to live if their were only one or two of them cooperating?
Trevin Kraus
10/21/2013 03:19:59 pm
You make some really good points. I agree I think that they will be in this cycle of debt and won't make any progress financially. I think there will have to be some major positive event that causes them to crawl out of the cycle.
Reply
John Engel
10/21/2013 03:44:34 pm
I really liked that you used cooperation and brought up that they all have to work together to stay afloat. I also like how you made a prediction that later in the book debt will be a major conflict.
Reply
Hannah O'Connell
10/21/2013 02:34:35 pm
Quote: "It was in truth a never-ending delight, the fixing up of this house. They had no money to spend for the pleasure of spending, but there were a few absolutely necessary things, and the buying of these was a perpetual adventure for Ona." Ch 5
Reply
Rachel M.
10/21/2013 03:09:33 pm
Love your reflection! The connection with Ona is really relatable and also with integrity with the couple. Good entry :)
Reply
Rachel M.
10/21/2013 02:42:13 pm
“For most of the men here took a fearfully different view of the thing. He was quite dismayed when he first began to find it out—that most of the men hated their work. It seemed strange, it was even terrible, when you came to find out the universality of the sentiment; but it was certainly the fact—they hated their work”
Reply
Paris Gramann
10/21/2013 02:51:16 pm
This "scene" made me wonder where all of the other men's work ethics went... You can tell that Jurgis grew up as a hard worker and was taught to do his best in what he did -- while not questioning authority. Are the other men from a place where they never had to do hard work? Were they simply brought up in a different household with different morals? Or maybe have they been working in America for so long that they have begun to analyze the corrupt way of society...? Makes me wonder...
Reply
Sarah Hardin
10/21/2013 02:45:01 pm
For chapter five, the HOHAM I would pick would be perspective. Once Marija discovers she's working in the place of a fifteen year old, she starts to question who needs the job more. She especially starts to question Jonas' work when she discovers the person he is working in place of died from the working conditions! (not to mention the toxic and disgusting meat!) but they need the work, right? What are they to do?
Reply
Paris Gramann
10/21/2013 02:47:47 pm
This is interesting. I would think it would almost be easier to shut off those ideas and thoughts and simply work harder. (As to not question ethics and have second doubts about your job.. because you would need it.) That would be hard on your conscience though. And if you shut all of your emotions out, could you even call your life living?
Reply
Sarah Hardin
10/21/2013 02:56:08 pm
Exactly! It's a battle between ethics and practicality. Which is something I think we all still struggle with today.
Paris Gramann
10/21/2013 02:45:17 pm
"Connection" plays into these chapters for me. It is not really from a quote, but more from ideas I am picking up from the text. They are looking at how corrupt the society and ways of production are. The meat packing, the authority and structure, all of it. However, ou have to be a part of these awful, unjust ways to get anywhere. I have heard countless adults talk about this idea coming to play in their jobs and lives. Some small connections I see this with are general contracting and politics. With general contracting, it reminds me of when my dad talks about bidding. Many contractors bid a low price for the job in order to present a competitive price, but it is not honest. Once the owner picks this low price, it can end up being a much higher price in the end. It is not fair to the people who want to be honest, because they don't get the job. You almost HAVE to play the game to be in it. With politics, you see the politicians promising these great ideas, but not all of the ideas get carried out. Along with some of the "false" ideas promised in the race, they spend millions in their campaign! Again, they are playing a game and getting caught in it, just so they can win.
Reply
Karye
10/21/2013 03:01:34 pm
I like that you chose connection. You did a great job connecting it to today's politics. very insightful ideas.
Reply
Xochitl Aguinaga
10/21/2013 03:06:14 pm
I really like how you talked about the corruption you see happening today.
Reply
Grady Gumner
10/21/2013 03:16:13 pm
I feel like you have a true connection with the meat packing industry and general contracting, but I became confused when you said "You almost have to play the game to be in it." I would like to know what you mean by this quote as it is a little vague.
Reply
Lisa Valtierra
10/21/2013 03:40:58 pm
I really liked your connections. I feel like you did such a good idea to get your points across to the audience.
Reply
Xochitl Aguinaga
10/21/2013 02:53:28 pm
"... from the top to bottom the place is simply a seething cauldron of jealousies and hatreds; there is no loyalty or decency anywhere about it, there is no place in it where a man counted for anything against a dollar."
Reply
Xochitl Aguinaga
10/21/2013 03:01:05 pm
Opps not the whole post...Jurgis' hope is not a fresh hope, but a complacent one. He reliezes that he won't be anything more than an unepreciated laborer and yet the idea of rising up from his bleak life is all he has to look forward to.
Reply
Karye
10/21/2013 02:59:03 pm
Perspective: Jurgis is very optimistic in the workplace and doesn’t understand when his coworkers are complaining about work conditions. His perspective is changing as he sees what they see. My perspective was changed when Antanas kept getting denied of a job and yet he refused give up. His perseverance showed through but to get ahead he had to give away a chunk of his pay. I had to look at it through his perspective to understand what his mindset was and why he thought it was important to do so.
Reply
John Engel
10/21/2013 03:00:32 pm
Perspective: In these chapters one part of the book that showed a big diversity of perspective was in chapter 5. Jurgis has a perspective of this is a nice steady job and Im gonna do it to the best of my ability so I don't get fired. Other people that are from america have a perspective of this is a bad job and the only reason why they do it is to make money. Another perspective that Jurgis has is the perspective of not knowing what a workers union is. He does not know that they protect his rights, all he knows is a workers union is going to take his money and that is not good. This is the perspective that I think is really interesting to see.
Reply
Jordan Garcia
10/21/2013 03:05:17 pm
Perspective. Ona & Jurgis just moved in but they are both in two different positions. Ona has a positive perspective because she is very excited about the new house even though there isn't to much inside of it. On the other hand, Jurgis is in a confused state because he is curious as to why everyone hates the position they are in in regards to their jobs and such. Either Jurgis is turned off by this environment or this shows him that he isn't the only one working as hard as he is.
Reply
John Engel
10/21/2013 03:41:24 pm
I like your comment about jurgis because I kinda said the same thing. It is interesting to me to see the perspective on an immigrant coming to a new country looking for a job.
Reply
Jackson Walker
10/21/2013 03:05:57 pm
" Now they sat round, scarcely breathing, while the old lady, who could read English, ran over it. “Yes,” she said, finally, “here it
Reply
Trevin Kraus
10/21/2013 03:14:41 pm
Jack your personal connection to the reading is incredible. It's different for me because I know what your talking about with your car and it makes understand your passage so much more. Great job.
Reply
Trevin Kraus
10/21/2013 03:11:00 pm
Perspective: Now that Ona and Jurgis have obtained jobs they realize how much hard labor is required to achieve little pay. Despite the long hours, hard labor and little pay they manage to stay strong and keep a positive attitude about America. They even rent/purchase a house despite the high risk of loosing money if evicted. I would like to see the story from the perspective of some of Jurgi's coworkers. In many scenarios your environment can affect your outlook. In factories full of hundreds of people and rotting corpses I wonder how Jurgis's positive attitude toward work affects that of his coworkers.
Reply
Jordan Garcia
10/21/2013 03:15:52 pm
Well said, it is cool to see that they aren't beating themselves up even in the condition they are in. They are keeping a good attitude in their situation because they are grateful that they were able to settle. Especially Ona.
Reply
Grady Gumner
10/21/2013 03:20:01 pm
I felt that Jurgis had kind of the opposite view on his pay. Everyday he exclaimed how much he was getting paid and spoke of the reality of actually owning a house. It's interesting how perspectives can vary from reader to reader.
Reply
Alex Demos
10/21/2013 04:47:29 pm
I found it interesting how you say you want to hear about the different perspectives of Jurgis' co-workers. Do you believe their outlook could be the same? Do you think their background could have effected their outlook on the working conditions also? You make great points, and each outlook you wonder about creates a more in-depth look on the reading.
Reply
Grady Gumner
10/21/2013 03:12:24 pm
Quote: "Jurgis had come there and thought he was going to make himself useful, and rise and become a skilled man; but he would soon find out his error- for nobody rose in Packingtown by doing good work." (Sinclair 70)
Reply
Cole Sargent
10/21/2013 04:10:17 pm
I agree, and I also thought Sinclair's views on capitalism were significant in the book, and that the meat packing industry sought only to benefit the private owners. He talked a little bit about unions, but I think it'll be interesting to see where he takes that subject.
Reply
Vivian Mason
10/21/2013 03:15:06 pm
"..begun to see at last how those might be right who had laughed at him for his faith in America.”
Reply
Cole Sargent
10/21/2013 04:11:45 pm
I noticed this too, but I thought the opposite--Jurgis said that only dishonest and lying men would become bosses and move up the corporate chain, while the honest and hard-working men like him would stay at the bottom. It'll be interesting to see if he's treated any differently.
Reply
Erik Salazar
10/21/2013 03:19:37 pm
He had had no experience with unions, and he had to have it explained to him that the men were banded together for the purpose of fighting for their rights. Jurgis asked them what they meant by their rights, a question in which he was quite sincere, for he had not any idea of any rights that he had, except the right to hunt for a job, and do as he was told when he got it.
Reply
Rilind
10/21/2013 03:25:02 pm
The hohams i chose for my entry tonight are self advocacy and perspective. Jurgis came to America with a very optimistic view, hoping to get a good job and with the determination to work his way from the bottom to the top. He is introduced to an entirely different kind of lifestyle, which is pretty foreign to him. His new job that he was so excited for ends up paying such little, it is in extremely unsafe, and just disgusting working conditions. Even after seeing how corrupt the union and bosses are he still wants to achieve the american dream, which is still yet so far, but seems worth it to him. It reminds me of the thing we read about grit in class a while back. That is what jurgis has. He is in it for the long run and wants to live the american average life so bad, but it may never happen because he is just one small fish in a big sea of workers, hoping to aspire to be the best he can.
Reply
John Laine
10/21/2013 04:24:52 pm
I liked the way you put this. It really showed what was being said in the your section you were talking about in a very clear way.
Reply
Alura Polese
10/21/2013 03:33:41 pm
I made a connection to when Dede Antana explains how he is not being able to find work due to age and only living off of a certain amount of money. My grandfather experienced the same thing. This really put me into a perspective I could understand!
Reply
Abby Thompson
10/21/2013 03:36:36 pm
In these chapters, Jurgis explains how in the slaughterhouse, he notices that all of the other employees hate their jobs and their bosses, but he finds himself actually enjoying the work and the idea of having a job because he’s getting paid for it. I think this was pretty interesting because it really shows that people can have different perspectives of things and while some people may look at something negatively, others may look at it in a positive way. A HOHAM I found could be related to this part/chapter was
Reply
Lisa Valtierra
10/21/2013 03:37:37 pm
"It showed two very pretty little birds building themselves a home"
Reply
Alex Demos
10/21/2013 04:43:27 pm
I agree with you. The quote is representing the opposite of the actions taking place between Jurgis and his wife in creating a home. I believe the quote is metaphorically showing how even through rough times, there is still beauty within the events that happen throughout the story (through love).
Reply
Abby Thompson
10/21/2013 03:53:48 pm
I thought it was pretty weird how the family holding this celebration was aware that people coming into these celebration just to eat and not pay was common with them, but yet they let strangers in anyway due to tradition and to be generous, even if they wouldn't be able to pay for it in the end. I also found it pretty amazing how even though times were hard, they wouldn't be able to pay for it easily, and jobs were difficult and hard to come by, Jurgis was ready to work as hard as possible to get the money. I think both cooperation and self advocacy can be taken from these events.
Reply
Chelsea Flores
10/21/2013 04:01:01 pm
Perspective: I thought it was interesting how all of Jurgis' co-workers hated their job but Jurgis didn't fully understand why they did. I think it's because people who have been working in the American industry for a longer period understand the working conditions. Unlike Jurgis who came and doesn't understand. Even though Jurgis' job requires hard work and effort, he feels this is what the 'American Dream' is. "When Jurgis would ask them what they meant, they would begin to get suspicious, and content themselves with saying, "Never mind, you stay here and see for yourself."
Reply
Cole Sargent
10/21/2013 04:08:04 pm
“A very few days of practical experience in this land of high wages had been sufficient to make clear to them the cruel fact that it was also a land of high prices, and that in it the poor man was almost as poor as in any other corner of the earth; and so there vanished in a night all the wonderful dreams of wealth that had been haunting Jurgis. What had made the discovery all the more painful was that they were spending, at American prices, money which they had earned at home rates of wages—and so were really being cheated by the world!” (Sinclair 30). I connected this quote to the supposition Habit of Mind; it made me wonder if they would ever move to America had they known that wages were so high. With the same amount of work that Jurgis alone does at the packing houses, he could probably make much more back in Lithuania, and so the family was tricked into moving into a place of despair.
Reply
Justin Walker
10/21/2013 06:54:27 pm
Your quote was an excellent choice! It truly encapsulated the futility of poorer American immigrants. However, a beneficial point of clarification could arise from your statement; " had they known that wages were so high,". Should this not ideally state their commodities were highly priced as well?
Reply
John Laine
10/21/2013 04:30:53 pm
Quote:"There were some with broken legs, and some with gored sides; there were some that had died, from what cause no one could say; and they were all to be disposed of, here in darkness and silence."
Reply
Alex Demos
10/21/2013 04:38:58 pm
"It was sickening, like a nightmare, in which suddenly something gives way beneath you, and you feel yourself sinking, sinking, down into bottom-less abyss."
Reply
Hayes Sherr
10/21/2013 05:05:06 pm
"Then he saw things in a different light, he got at the inside of them." This quote reminds me of the HOHAM perspective because it says in the beginning of the story that Jurgis was looking at all the positive and good things in America, but when he got there it wasn't what he was expecting.
Reply
Jessica Pollock
10/21/2013 05:15:19 pm
Perspective:
Reply
Justin Walker
10/21/2013 06:51:55 pm
"In these chutes the stream of animals was continuous; it was uncanny to watch them, pressing on to their fate, all unsuspicious--a very river of death."
Reply
Chris dang
10/21/2013 08:17:30 pm
On Saturday night they came home with a great basketful of things, and spread them out on the table, while everyone stood round, and the children climbed up on the chairs, or howled to be lifted up to see. There were sugar and salt and tea and crackers, and a can of lard and a milk pail, and a scrubbing brush, and a pair of shoes for the second oldest boy, and a can of oil, and a tack hammer, and a pound of nails.
Reply
Julz Valencia
10/21/2013 11:38:08 pm
"They called her back to the story of the house."
Reply
Edwin Flores
10/22/2013 10:53:29 am
They had bought their home. It was hard for them to realize that the wonderful house was theirs to move into whenever they chose. They spent all their time thinking about it, and what they were going to put into it.
Reply
Trey Lewis
10/22/2013 12:03:07 pm
Perspective: In this chapter Jurgis finds work to become more and more difficult. He does not mind this, he believes if the money is coming in he has nothing to worry about. He looks at the job as a way to earn money and be better than others. While the others drink after work Jurgis decides to focus on work life. The others in the same house as Jurgis would argee with Jurgis's coworkers in celebrating after work is the appropriate. They, different from Jurgis, don't like their job at all. They do not look at the job as Jurgis would in saying the money is the same no matter where it comes from.
Reply
Sabrina
10/22/2013 12:50:50 pm
"So Jurgis thought, and so he spoke, in his bold, free way; very much to his surprise, he found that it had a tendency to get him into trouble"
Reply
Malia M.
10/22/2013 02:23:10 pm
"It was sickening, like a nightmare, in which suddenly something gives way beneath you, and you feel yourself sinking, sinking, down into bottomless abysses. As if in a flash of lightning they saw themselves--victims of a relentless fate, cornered, trapped, in the grip of destruction. All the fair structure of their hopes came crashing about their ears."
Reply
Quentin Jackson (gustavus)
10/22/2013 02:46:28 pm
"I will work harder"
Reply
Abby Thompson
10/23/2013 04:17:43 pm
Some events that I thought were pretty significant took place primarily in chapter 10 when things began going downhill for Marija, Jurgis, and Ona; Marija loses her job and doubts the canning factory will ever reopen and when it does, she just gets fired, Jurgis is struggling to make money for the family, and Ona is about to have a baby without a proper doctor. After a few weeks of searching for a job, Marija gets a job of cutting diseased meat up, but the pay is even worse than what it originally is and she hates the working conditions. I was really shocked at this part in the book because I can barely imagine what it's like to have to go through any of these events or in this time period, and it's sad that so many people had to go through events similar to these just to be able to barely get enough money to live in America and were constantly competing against one another for jobs, no matter how terrible the conditions were.
Reply
Leave a Reply. |
AuthorWrite something about yourself. No need to be fancy, just an overview. Archives
May 2015
Categories |