"He had been likewise to all the stores and saloons for a mile about, begging for some little thing to do; and everywhere they had ordered him out, sometimes with curses, and not once even stopping to ask him a question."
Self-Advocacy: The only thing that Antanas wanted was a job, so he could help support his family, but everywhere he went, he was turned away because he was old. Even though he went everywhere for a job, and was turned away every time he asked, he did not give up. I think this shows self advocacy, because he stood up for himself and persevered when everyone doubted him. And, in the end, it sort of paid off, because he did get a job, even if he had to give part of his pay to his boss to keep it. I think this shows that if you at least put yourself out there, someone will notice you, for better or worse.
Nice post Carly. I agree with your observation of Antanas' perseverance. I think that your closing statement about at least putting yourself out there can be applied to many of the characters in the book.
I think that this is something a lot of people can relate to and I also agree with you. I also like that you focus on the positive of the situation (him getting a job) rather than the negative (he has to give part of his pay).
I liked that you very clearly states your thoughts on the HOHAM. Your quote was interesting, I hadn't seen it in the way you did and the perspective was fresh.
Nice observation. He did find a good job but it's wage does seem very unfair for that time. It'll be a long time before he will be able to make the money back
I completely agree with you Carlita. I was so proud of Antanas to keep looking for a job even though he was turned away. This shows that he will be a big help to the family.
I think you did a great job not only reflecting on the reading but promoting self-advocacy. You tell how this HOHAM paid off when it was used in the reading, which shows that we should use it too!
You have a very good point that you posed here. he could have easily chosen to stay home and watch the kids, but instead he went out into the world and struggled through the bitterness for a place in it.
I completely agree with you although I must say, sometimes it might be better not to be noticed at all, not a lot of the time though.
I found what you wrote very spot on how that when he put him self out there he could get his name out there to get closer to his goal.
"...it was the men who had to do all the dirty jobs, and so there was no deceiving them; and they caught the spirit of the place, and did like all the rest."
The HOHAM that i think would fit this quote is perspective. Jurgis was new to the job, and he noticed that all men worked equally, and never complained. I feel like when Jurgis saw this, his perspective on the job changed. At first he thought he was going to make himself useful, and rise and become a skilled man. But, then he realized that nobody rose in Packingtown by doing good work. Now I wonder, what it would take for someone to rise in this town?
Excellent observations, Tyler. I enjoyed your comment about how Jurgis' perspective changed. I think that it was an important moment for Jurgis and it definitely affected his positive outlook on work.
Probably just finding another job or something. $2 for 12 hours seems a bit ridiculous, and you probably could get a bit more elsewhere.
It does seem like that would be a huge perspective change, unfortunately, in that time, in those conditions, I'm pretty sure all of the work places were like that and he couldn't rise in that area even if he worked insanely hard for the rest of his life.
The question you pose at the end is very interesting and thought provoking. How you pushed to show how Jurgis's perspective changed was interesting and well thought out. It forces the reader to think about what it would have been like in Jurgis's shoes.
I chose to write about the Habit of Mind “perspective”. Near the middle of Chapter 5 (closer to the end than the beginning), Jurgis reflects on how he freely spoke his mind at work and then he begins to speak of his shock to learn that the other men that worked at the factory hated their work. In fact, the following sentences described how those men hated everything that had to do with the factory. They hated the bosses, the owners, the building, the neighborhood, and even the whole city. I think that this passage really speaks volumes on how one’s perspective can change their outlook on life. Jurgis is a recently hired immigrant who is immensely grateful and cheerful to even have a job. Throughout the passage, Jurgis’ state of mind is evident by his response and utter bewilderment as to how his fellow workers could feel so strongly about their work.
I strongly agree with you that someone's perspective can change their outlook. Do you think that even if they changed their perspective, their outlooks would be better despite their conditions?
I also think that your thoughts are very insightful on Jurgis' mind throughout his surprise and even why he may think this way.
I completely agree and I think the same perspective can be applied to our own lives. Jurgis is probably the only one happy to work at the factory.
I think you make a really great point, because anyone's situation can be considered good or bad. However, their perspective on it is what makes the difference.
"Jurgis took it stolidly--he had made up his mind to it by this time. It was part of fate; they would manage it somehow-- he made his usual answer, 'I will work harder.'"
This passage shows Self-Advocacy, because no matter what is thrown at him, Jurgis continues to persevere in the face of challenges, taking them on openly and believing that no matter what comes to him, he will be able to overcome the challenges by working harder.
I like the quote, it really went with self advocacy. But I felt you could have added more of your own thoughts and connection about its significance to the HOHAM.
Great analysis, I agree with your position, but I want to know more about your thought process on the quote and the connection to the HOHAM:)
"Then he saw things in a different light, he got at the inside of them."
Perspective: Since the beginning Jurgis has always looked at America's opportunities in awe and appreciation because he was on the outside looking in. He could only see what factories wanted new emigrants to see and he was drawn in by a dazzling facade. His perspective wasn't changed until he was inside, seeing all the horrible and true events taking place. He soon learns to expect abhorrent acts and events . His perspective starts to change from naive and hopeful to grim as he starts to experience and struggle through working in America.
Great post Meilani! I feel so sorry for Jurgis because he was so hopeful about this new beginning and now his hope has died down. His entire family has to work and he is already stressed about his job, house and family.
I really like how you say in the begining he was naive than hopeful which then changed to grim. I didn't see him as naive before I read this but now I see how he was.
I really liked how the quote you chose for your hoham. It was such a perfect quote to describe the different perspectives that could go along with it!
I completely agree with your post! The quote you chose shows your HOHAM of perspective perfectly. I enjoyed the part where you said "on the outside looking in", I feel like a lot of the time people's perspectives change when they get a full view on what is going on rather than seeing a portion of the picture.
I am truly suprised at how awful these slaughter houses are and how bad they were back then. I have done research and learned about them earlier, and knowing what happens to thousands of animals each day, it suprises me at how it was still like that back then, but almost worse. The animals aren't treated really fair, and are hardly ever inspected. Even though a health inspector comes in to check on the animals, he still leaves several carcasses of animals unchecked. Spoiled meat is also inserted into the clean meat as well, and they try to hide it. But what I'm mostly suprised was his wage. $2 for 12 hours seems really ridiculous for me, that's like making $1 an hour, and even back then that's nothing. But overall, I was really suprised at what was actually going on in slaughter houses back then
I choose connection for this entry because I feel that many characters are experiencing the same horror. Antanas and Jonas are shocked by their jobs and what happens in the workplace. Jurgis of course sees it too but he is quite as affected as everyone else is. Ona and Jurgis both have positive attitudes and hope for the future. But I still sense that something truly bad is going to happen. Antanas is most likely going to get sick with tuberculosis because he has been coughing a lot. The connections between the horrors of the factory will just get stronger and the entire family is going to suffer.
I agree with your observation and choice of HOHAM, Rachel! Connection and your analysis of it reeally shows how all these characters and themes are coming together.
I agree! I like your predictions in your entry. Conflicts in stories can lead to really good predictions :)
"Yet Jurgis did not mind it; he rather enjoyed it...It was not the pleasantest work one could think of, but it was necessary work; and what more had a man the right to ask than a chance to do something useful, and to get good pay for doing it?"
The HOHAM I chose to reflect on was Unlimited Potential. I think that Jurgis was very motivated to work, even though the reflect on how terrible the job was earlier in the chapter. They said "there was never one instant's rest for a man, for his hand or his eye or his brain" showing that this was a very taxing job. But Jurgis was happy to go to work, even looking forward to it. He was driven with his purpose to make money for his family and was dedicated and determined to succeed at his job! I think this definitely shows to unlimited potential Jurgis has.
I like the how you implemented your HOHAM into the reading and I think you gave an interesting perspective on Jurgis's condition and work at the factory
I really like how were able to add more quotes to support your reasoning.
I couldn't agree with you more, Meranda! Your analysis is pristine and unlimited potential really ties into it perfectly with the characters views and mentality on the situations he is thrown into.
I really like that you put in extra quotes, this helped get your point across and make the reader understand and believe what your saying.
Meranda- I love the phrase you chose to do a thoughtful reflection on! You definitely made me realize that there was Unlimited Potential in Jurgis in this moment, an unlimited potential I hadn't seen. Very cool.
I liked how you used multiple quotes to prove your point in a thoughtful and detailed way.
Interesting, I hadn't thought about this way. I completely agree, Jurgis always seems willing to go above and beyond
"It seemed strange, it was even terrible, when you came to find out the universality of the sentiment; but it was certainly the fact - they hated their work."
I chose the HOHAM Perspective because Jurgis' view of working is ever so slowly evolving as he experiences the brutal reality of his workplace. When Jurgis first went out in search of a job, the world was new and exciting to him. He had limitless opportunities, and all of them seemed good. He considers himself lucky to obtain a job, and it confuses him when the other workers complain. Can't they see how thrilling it is? When Jurgis questions them, they tell him he will soon find out why they grumble about their work. His perspective of the industrialized factories and the jobs they offer is beginning to change as his eyes are opened to the harsh reality of the working.
I think you are completely right that his perspective was so different than all the other workers. I think that you did a good job reflecting on what on the reading and how his perspective is begging to change.
I completely agree, we can definitely see a lot of the main family's view changing as they continue to work. Fabulous job really showing Jurgis' view
I agree with the idea of Jurgis's perspective changing. Jurgis is definitely the kind of person to not think about the working conditions within the business, and when he really thinks about it, can realize just how bad it can be.
"It was quite touching, the zeal of people to see that his health and happiness were provided for."
This passage seems to be showing off just how naive we can be. He is looking at the world and seeing the care people have for one another when more often than not its really just a good sales pitch. The world is often a cynical place and I think that the way Jurgis sees it is definitely something I wish everyone saw.
(does this sound right?)
I agree on how jurgis perspective on the scenario was more of a positive one rather than negative. As we learn jurgis's story we think how aul conditions were but jurgis feels humbled to have a job in the United States.
I agree with both of you. I think that he is looking at this situation with more of a happy attitude and he seems very pleased to have this job, but he hasn't yet changed his perspective on the situation.
“The distance was in reality over two miles, but Jurgis made two trips that night, each time with a huge pile of mattresses and bedding on his head, with bundles of clothing and bags and things tied up inside.”
Unlimited Potential: Jurgis works tirelessly to get the twelve - person family’s newly bought house furnished. Carrying furniture to the new house two miles away may seem like a tough job, but Jurgis does this after his long, monotonous work shift. He works at the packingtown for twelve hours and then still has the energy to lift heavy mattresses and belongings two miles. This plays into unlimited potential because Jurgis proves that with a positive attitude, anything is possible and you can accomplish a superhuman amount of things in a day if you set your mind to it. I think that Jurgis is living the American dream in his own mind, by staying positive despite terrible circumstances
I really like how you say that Jurgis is living the American dream in his own mind. It really gives a new perspective to his situation. Many would say that he is living in horrible conditions, but this shows the other side of the thought.
I like the insight you offer in this post, I agree completely.
"So from the top to bottom the place is simply a seething cauldron of jealousies and hatreds; there is no loyalty or decency anywhere about it, there is no place in it where a man counted for anything against a dollar."
Unlimited Potential: Jurgis along with his family seem to being working their hardest when going about what is needed for them to survive. Their basic necessities are barely met and when they purchase their house, they work even harder to furnish it and keep it over their heads. Even though the house they had purchased is known as a shame, they work their hardest and even Stanislovas lies about his age so he can work to pay for the home so that they won't lose wheat they had worked so hard to barely keep already.
I like your ideas, Crystal. I definitely see your perspective! (no pun intended). I think this story will be going in a very interesting direction! and even the story itself has unlimited potential:)
"...he made his usual answer, "I will work harder." said Jurgis. For this quote I choose to pick is unlimited potential, because even though Jurgis is working in terrible working conditions, and in my opinion being payed less then he should be for the amount of work he is putting in. He still chooses to work harder, to support his family.
I really like the quote you chose, as well as a HOHAM. Cause I feel as if Unlimited potential isn't talked about much, and I liked how you incorporated it with the reading.
How could he working harder than the others? What might make him stand out? It would be nice to see you answer the questions I posed so as to go into more detail and explain more. :) Nice start!
"every few days it was the old man's task to clean these out, and shovel their contents into one of the trucks with the rest of the meat!"-chapter 5
A habit I saw in these chapters was self advocacy and preservation. Dede Antanas had been wanting a job and feeling as though he wasn’t helping the family out; he believed he was a burden. Antanas searched for a job but no one wanted to give him one because he wasn’t very young. But this didn’t stop Antanas he kept trying, this shows self advocacy because he didn’t give up, Antanas continued trying. Happily Antanas finally got a job and over came his challenge, although he has to give one third of his pay to the boss in order to secure his job for the time being Antanas is still excited to tell the family and feel helpful.
I totally agree with your hoham. Self advocacy was a huge part and he never gave up and kept persevering. I thought it was interesting that he felt he was a burden.
“When he came home that night, he was in a very sombre mood, having begun to see at last how those might be right who had laughed at him for his faith in America.”
Significance and Perspective: I thought this quote was very significant because it is a turning point in Jurgis’s thoughts. He, like many others, was looking for the American Dream. However, now he is seeing the reality of America. It isn’t a perfect place like he had thought. Jurgis now sees that life in America is difficult, and he will have to work long, hard hours every day, still barely making it by. Many people had the same misperception of America, thinking they could come and become rich, but it is not a reality. Everyone is at the mercy of the rich business owners, who are only worried about profit, not the conditions their employees are in. In this town, everyone is replaceable.
Tess- I found it really interesting the way you saw this quote, and also think you found one of the best quotes to reflect on.
I like the way you chose two HOHAM's because I'd have to say that just one wasn't enough. I think this quote is pretty deep and you explained it very well. I also agree with you that Jurgis has come to this realization, and it is not at all what he had initially thought.
'...Trying to make as much money out of it as he could, and did not care in the least how he did it;"
This quote to me pretty much summarized chapter 1, in the way that people would do whatever in their reach in order to get by. Sometimes, they could either chose to take the easy way out to make money, or work hard to attain what you deserve. Although some people might think in a complete different way, its a controversial quote. Some people in this chapter struggled more than others to make money, either because of environmental factors, or physical ones. Regardless of those factors, what they did to get by is what matters in the end.
I thought that this post was interesting because it examined the more moral interplay between the two routes. But take into consideration, the monetary aspect means a lot to the immigrants who came to Packingtown. They had to make money through any means possible, to sustain themselves, to sustain their families. And the only way to advance in such a corrupt system was to lie, cheat, and cut corners. You gotta balance morality and your ability to survive.
I feel like this quote could explain a lot of workers in todays world. People have stopped caring exactly what they are doing and have begun worrying purely on the money.
"But for the saving of time and fodder, it was the law that cows of that sort came along with the others, and whoever noticed it would tell the boss, and the boss would start up a conversation with the government inspector, and the two would stroll away. So in a trice the carcass of the cow would be cleaned out, and entrails would have vanished; it was Jurgis' task to slide them into the trap, calves and all, and on the floor below they took out these "slunk" calves, and butchered them for meat, and used even the skins of them."
I think this quote beautifully illustrates a form of cooperation that was thriving in Packingtown at this time! It is a cooperation built on fear, dread, and self-preservation, the workers informing their bosses of everything that happens in the packing house in order to preserve their own skin, the bosses 'cooperating' with the government agents so as not to get their operation shut down, the government workers being happily misled usually in exchange for monetary compensation. It's a system built for one purpose, the ruthless, single minded pursuit of profit. Who cares about the quality of the meat? Who cares about the conditions of the workers? The immigrants need money to feed their families, they have no were else to go, they can't speak out, they can't complain, and if there's anything wrong with them, well, there's hundreds more outside and thousands more pouring in every day. It's a corrupt, twisted system based completely off the exploitation of the customer and the employee, the only person that walks away happy in the end are the bosses. They've locked these people into the system, they've given these people no other choice but to go along with what the bosses decree. It may be cooperation, but cooperation melded with brainwashing, cooperation done with a gun pointed at the immigrant's head. This is the path that we never want to see cooperation take.
Your passage details the purpose and claims made with your quote in a professional manner. Bravo! I am quite impressed with how you applied a near-universally positive HOHAM with gloom and despair!
Insightful analysis and incredibly well worded!
This is a very well worded passage, that truly shows the issue with the system, and explains it in an interesting way. Well done Adrian.
“And all the men of the same rank were pitted against each other; the accounts of each were kept separately, and every man lived in terror of losing his job, if another man made a better record than he. So from top to bottom the place was simply a seething cauldron of jealousies and hatreds; there was no loyalty or decency anywhere about it, there was no place in it where a man counted for anything against a dollar.”
Cooperation: I think that this is the perfect example of cooperation while not cooperating at the same time. Inside, each man in that factory wishes for the man competing with him to have worse luck and times that he does, while at the same time every man in the factory has to work as a team with others. I think that this can be related to our world today, and even our school. During the absolute hectic madness that is exhibition (even the most organized ones are chaotic) we are sometimes put into groups with people that we want to hit with a brick, but for the project to succeed all members have to work together. In the meat plant, every single man has his own specific job, like performing a few cuts on a cow or shoveling steaming entrails and bleeding guts of a pig into a hole. If one man isn't fast enough to keep up with the pace of the factory, then the entire line and the factory as a whole slows down. In order to succeed and keep their jobs, the men have to attempt to push aside their fears and hatreds to think of themselves as part of a machine. Without that one piece of a machine, no matter how insignificant it seems, is vital for the machine to function at its best.
Bella- The way you reflected on this really surprised me. The connection you had was absolutely perfect! I definitely agree with the way you relate the organized chaos to exhibition, and the significance of every job given. You used a lot of detail in this paragraph response and I got a beautiful picture in my mind.Brilliant imagery in you reflection. :)
"The distance was in reality over two miles, but Jurgis made two trips that night, each time with a huge pile of mattresses and bedding on his head, with bundles of clothing and bags and things tied up inside."
I think this quote shows Self Advocacy because Jurgis works for what he believes in and to make sure his family, himself included, is provided for and comfortable. Self advocacy is all about standing up for yourself and that's exactly what he's doing, except adding in his family, which most people should. I don't think anyone at our school would walk over four miles lugging mattresses, we don't even think about the possibility and our motto is most certainly not "I will work harder."
I like the connection you made with jurgis and self advocacy. He does all he can to make sure that his family and him have the best life possible all with a smile on his face.
I agree with you. Jurgis is taking advantage of his situation after finding out that everyone else in in bad working conditions as well. He now knows that he is on the same boat as many other people.
I liked how you connected Jurgis and real-life to this quote because everything you said about this is true. Jurgis is doing a great job helping his family out.
" It would be but fair to them to say that the little boy was
delighted with his work, and at the idea of earning a lot
of money; and also that the two were very much in love
with each other."
This quote epitomizes the cooperation that occurs throughout the book. This family of twelve is in a new land where they don't speak the language and where everywhere they turn someone is taking advantage of them. In a land where money was supposed to flow like water, the only way that this family can stay afloat and off the streets is if they cooperate. If everyone does their due diligence and gets a job even the young Stanislovas and the extremely old Antanas. Sadly, this way of life seemingly doesn't have an end as they will forever be stuck in this cycle of debt, which I suppose could become a major conflict as the book progresses. They came to America seeking out the "American Dream" but all they have gotten so far is a strange place where nothing makes sense. I am really interested to see what happens if one of the family members stops cooperating and quits their job or does something to get fired, because I don't know if the families shaky financial situation could handle something like that happening.
Cooperation works up to a point, but the system is completely engineered to use the immigrants, grind them into the dust, use up every last ounce of life they have in them before throwing them out and leaving the on the streets to die. In the face of such adversary, in the face of such clinically engineered horror and business minded markets, how can a single family of poor immigrants hope to survive?
So far, I'd say, for immigrants, they are doing alright through cooperation. If they were split up, who knows how they would manage? How could they support a place to live if their were only one or two of them cooperating?
You make some really good points. I agree I think that they will be in this cycle of debt and won't make any progress financially. I think there will have to be some major positive event that causes them to crawl out of the cycle.
I really liked that you used cooperation and brought up that they all have to work together to stay afloat. I also like how you made a prediction that later in the book debt will be a major conflict.
Quote: "It was in truth a never-ending delight, the fixing up of this house. They had no money to spend for the pleasure of spending, but there were a few absolutely necessary things, and the buying of these was a perpetual adventure for Ona." Ch 5
Hohams: Connection, Integrity.
Comment: I found this quote to not be as heavy as most of my other options, which is why I chose it. There is a connection I feel when reading this quote about the adventure of going shopping. There is always that suspense and spark of fun whenever going to a marketplace, street fair, or small shops that I feel. I think that Ona also has this feeling while they shop for their new house. In this quote there is also Integrity. It is a fact that the couple does not have much money. It is a fact that there are things that they really do need to start their lives together, and so there is integrity in the way that they are working hard to be able to sustain themselves to be able to get these necessary things.
Love your reflection! The connection with Ona is really relatable and also with integrity with the couple. Good entry :)
“For most of the men here took a fearfully different view of the thing. He was quite dismayed when he first began to find it out—that most of the men hated their work. It seemed strange, it was even terrible, when you came to find out the universality of the sentiment; but it was certainly the fact—they hated their work”
Perspective: This quote definitely shows the habit of perspective. All the men working at Jurgis' job hated what they were doing because of the union, and Jurgis enjoyed what he was working for. Since Jurgis is confused about "rights" it makes me wonder if he will end up feeling the same way as the other workers once he understand what the workers were telling him to see for himself.
This "scene" made me wonder where all of the other men's work ethics went... You can tell that Jurgis grew up as a hard worker and was taught to do his best in what he did -- while not questioning authority. Are the other men from a place where they never had to do hard work? Were they simply brought up in a different household with different morals? Or maybe have they been working in America for so long that they have begun to analyze the corrupt way of society...? Makes me wonder...
For chapter five, the HOHAM I would pick would be perspective. Once Marija discovers she's working in the place of a fifteen year old, she starts to question who needs the job more. She especially starts to question Jonas' work when she discovers the person he is working in place of died from the working conditions! (not to mention the toxic and disgusting meat!) but they need the work, right? What are they to do?
This is interesting. I would think it would almost be easier to shut off those ideas and thoughts and simply work harder. (As to not question ethics and have second doubts about your job.. because you would need it.) That would be hard on your conscience though. And if you shut all of your emotions out, could you even call your life living?
Exactly! It's a battle between ethics and practicality. Which is something I think we all still struggle with today.
"Connection" plays into these chapters for me. It is not really from a quote, but more from ideas I am picking up from the text. They are looking at how corrupt the society and ways of production are. The meat packing, the authority and structure, all of it. However, ou have to be a part of these awful, unjust ways to get anywhere. I have heard countless adults talk about this idea coming to play in their jobs and lives. Some small connections I see this with are general contracting and politics. With general contracting, it reminds me of when my dad talks about bidding. Many contractors bid a low price for the job in order to present a competitive price, but it is not honest. Once the owner picks this low price, it can end up being a much higher price in the end. It is not fair to the people who want to be honest, because they don't get the job. You almost HAVE to play the game to be in it. With politics, you see the politicians promising these great ideas, but not all of the ideas get carried out. Along with some of the "false" ideas promised in the race, they spend millions in their campaign! Again, they are playing a game and getting caught in it, just so they can win.
I like that you chose connection. You did a great job connecting it to today's politics. very insightful ideas.
I really like how you talked about the corruption you see happening today.
I feel like you have a true connection with the meat packing industry and general contracting, but I became confused when you said "You almost have to play the game to be in it." I would like to know what you mean by this quote as it is a little vague.
I really feel like you made a true connection in the reading and that is something that will help you stay engaged in the reading.
I really liked your connections. I feel like you did such a good idea to get your points across to the audience.
"... from the top to bottom the place is simply a seething cauldron of jealousies and hatreds; there is no loyalty or decency anywhere about it, there is no place in it where a man counted for anything against a dollar."
Significance: In this passage there is a significant change in Jurgis, he comes to the realization that his dreams of ‘working his way to the top’ through honesty and hard work are highly unlikely. The only way to hold a higher position is through scheming and lying and not a single person's position in certain or permanent.Jurgis is clearly put off by this, but instead of becoming angry or resentful of this reality, he ignores it and continues to have hope.
Opps not the whole post...Jurgis' hope is not a fresh hope, but a complacent one. He reliezes that he won't be anything more than an unepreciated laborer and yet the idea of rising up from his bleak life is all he has to look forward to.
Perspective: Jurgis is very optimistic in the workplace and doesn’t understand when his coworkers are complaining about work conditions. His perspective is changing as he sees what they see. My perspective was changed when Antanas kept getting denied of a job and yet he refused give up. His perseverance showed through but to get ahead he had to give away a chunk of his pay. I had to look at it through his perspective to understand what his mindset was and why he thought it was important to do so.
Perspective: In these chapters one part of the book that showed a big diversity of perspective was in chapter 5. Jurgis has a perspective of this is a nice steady job and Im gonna do it to the best of my ability so I don't get fired. Other people that are from america have a perspective of this is a bad job and the only reason why they do it is to make money. Another perspective that Jurgis has is the perspective of not knowing what a workers union is. He does not know that they protect his rights, all he knows is a workers union is going to take his money and that is not good. This is the perspective that I think is really interesting to see.
Perspective. Ona & Jurgis just moved in but they are both in two different positions. Ona has a positive perspective because she is very excited about the new house even though there isn't to much inside of it. On the other hand, Jurgis is in a confused state because he is curious as to why everyone hates the position they are in in regards to their jobs and such. Either Jurgis is turned off by this environment or this shows him that he isn't the only one working as hard as he is.
I like your comment about jurgis because I kinda said the same thing. It is interesting to me to see the perspective on an immigrant coming to a new country looking for a job.
" Now they sat round, scarcely breathing, while the old lady, who could read English, ran over it. “Yes,” she said, finally, “here it
is, of course: ‘With interest thereon monthly, at the rate of seven per cent per annum.’” " (pg. 58)
For my response, I was first going to make it around "supposition", more specifically if Jurgis and his family/friends had been imprudent and chosen not to by the house, and how it probably would have put all of them in a more stable position. Whilst thinking about this, I realized that I actually have a significant connection between the character's dilemma and one of my own. In the recent weeks I have been looking to buy a car; one in particular is fairly cheap, but I am hesitant because it could have many hidden costs awaiting a new ownership. It scares me to think of what happened to the characters, because that could just as easily happen to me! I am new to buying cars, just in the way they are new to buying and owning a house in Chicago. If I was fooled into buying a lemon, I would feel horribly wronged. I can imagine this happens a lot- in modern day and back then- accounting for a lump sum of many citizens' income. To avoid this, I have been trying to seek advice about buying cars, things to look out for, and so on, however there is only so much you can do. Especially when one is put into a situation where you feel pressured to act quickly or else you might "lose the opportunity"- another similarity between my car buying offer and the book- the unwise decision is acted upon. Hopefully I will be patient and make the right decision, unlike Jurgis, Ona, and the gang.
Jack your personal connection to the reading is incredible. It's different for me because I know what your talking about with your car and it makes understand your passage so much more. Great job.
Perspective: Now that Ona and Jurgis have obtained jobs they realize how much hard labor is required to achieve little pay. Despite the long hours, hard labor and little pay they manage to stay strong and keep a positive attitude about America. They even rent/purchase a house despite the high risk of loosing money if evicted. I would like to see the story from the perspective of some of Jurgi's coworkers. In many scenarios your environment can affect your outlook. In factories full of hundreds of people and rotting corpses I wonder how Jurgis's positive attitude toward work affects that of his coworkers.
Well said, it is cool to see that they aren't beating themselves up even in the condition they are in. They are keeping a good attitude in their situation because they are grateful that they were able to settle. Especially Ona.
I felt that Jurgis had kind of the opposite view on his pay. Everyday he exclaimed how much he was getting paid and spoke of the reality of actually owning a house. It's interesting how perspectives can vary from reader to reader.
I found it interesting how you say you want to hear about the different perspectives of Jurgis' co-workers. Do you believe their outlook could be the same? Do you think their background could have effected their outlook on the working conditions also? You make great points, and each outlook you wonder about creates a more in-depth look on the reading.
Quote: "Jurgis had come there and thought he was going to make himself useful, and rise and become a skilled man; but he would soon find out his error- for nobody rose in Packingtown by doing good work." (Sinclair 70)
Significance: Upton Sinclair's views on capitalism were beautifully summed up in this quote. The meat packing industry, as well as most other American industries, was built to only benefit the private owners. Owners of companies did whatever they needed to in order to keep their success. This meant that workers would be worked until they couldn't work anymore, and then would be replaced. This method was highly beneficial to the private owners and had no repercussions for them. By operating in a capitalistic economy, companies had many options for who to hire. People were lined on the streets, waiting for jobs. Employees, therefore, always conformed to the wishes of the owners in fear of being replaced. All the while, their hopes and dreams to eventually become a skilled man, higher up in management flew out in the window in order to hold their basic, bottom-of-the-line job.
I agree, and I also thought Sinclair's views on capitalism were significant in the book, and that the meat packing industry sought only to benefit the private owners. He talked a little bit about unions, but I think it'll be interesting to see where he takes that subject.
"..begun to see at last how those might be right who had laughed at him for his faith in America.”
Response: This quote stood out to me not because of what it stands for but for what happens next in the story. Jurgis continues to work, and not just work to get by, but work hard. This shows integrity by Jurgis pushing his troubles and doubts out of mind, and continuing to do whats best for the family he loves. He does this with out complaint, showing pain or loosing his happy personality around his family. Jurgis's heart may not be in the job anymore but he pushes himself to keep is mind in it. These acts of integrity are what puts Jurgis above the normal working man. I wonder when and how Jurgis's extra hard work may pay off or become noticed.
I noticed this too, but I thought the opposite--Jurgis said that only dishonest and lying men would become bosses and move up the corporate chain, while the honest and hard-working men like him would stay at the bottom. It'll be interesting to see if he's treated any differently.
He had had no experience with unions, and he had to have it explained to him that the men were banded together for the purpose of fighting for their rights. Jurgis asked them what they meant by their rights, a question in which he was quite sincere, for he had not any idea of any rights that he had, except the right to hunt for a job, and do as he was told when he got it.
Many immigrants to America we're unaware of what life "should be like" in the United States. They had no idea how government functioned or the rights that they are given inside the the United States. They only came to work and to live their life with a dream that one day all of their hardwork will pay off. However this was not the case, factory owners and company executives took advantage of immigrants and used them for profit but what would happen if immigrants did become educated. If all workers immigrants or not were aware of the awful ethics going on in corporations, the working class could put pressure on the wealthy to improve working conditions and ultimately the US economy.
The hohams i chose for my entry tonight are self advocacy and perspective. Jurgis came to America with a very optimistic view, hoping to get a good job and with the determination to work his way from the bottom to the top. He is introduced to an entirely different kind of lifestyle, which is pretty foreign to him. His new job that he was so excited for ends up paying such little, it is in extremely unsafe, and just disgusting working conditions. Even after seeing how corrupt the union and bosses are he still wants to achieve the american dream, which is still yet so far, but seems worth it to him. It reminds me of the thing we read about grit in class a while back. That is what jurgis has. He is in it for the long run and wants to live the american average life so bad, but it may never happen because he is just one small fish in a big sea of workers, hoping to aspire to be the best he can.
I liked the way you put this. It really showed what was being said in the your section you were talking about in a very clear way.
I made a connection to when Dede Antana explains how he is not being able to find work due to age and only living off of a certain amount of money. My grandfather experienced the same thing. This really put me into a perspective I could understand!
In these chapters, Jurgis explains how in the slaughterhouse, he notices that all of the other employees hate their jobs and their bosses, but he finds himself actually enjoying the work and the idea of having a job because he’s getting paid for it. I think this was pretty interesting because it really shows that people can have different perspectives of things and while some people may look at something negatively, others may look at it in a positive way. A HOHAM I found could be related to this part/chapter was
both perspective and self advocacy; perspective because of Jurgis’s positive look on his job and self advocacy because jobs were hard to come by at the time and he was able to get this better-than-average paying job (Even if the pay and conditions were still pretty terrible) and work hard for it/not complain because he wanted to be able to help his family.
"It showed two very pretty little birds building themselves a home"
I found this quote to be super interesting because it talks about something so pretty, yet most of the people in the book can't seem to make a home of their own because they are in a state were they don't have enough money to do so. Majauskiene can barley make payments while most people around her can't even seem to be able to pay their payments. Even though the houses are made out of the cheapest material, they are satisfied and I think that in a way she can represent the bird that is building a home.
I agree with you. The quote is representing the opposite of the actions taking place between Jurgis and his wife in creating a home. I believe the quote is metaphorically showing how even through rough times, there is still beauty within the events that happen throughout the story (through love).
I thought it was pretty weird how the family holding this celebration was aware that people coming into these celebration just to eat and not pay was common with them, but yet they let strangers in anyway due to tradition and to be generous, even if they wouldn't be able to pay for it in the end. I also found it pretty amazing how even though times were hard, they wouldn't be able to pay for it easily, and jobs were difficult and hard to come by, Jurgis was ready to work as hard as possible to get the money. I think both cooperation and self advocacy can be taken from these events.
Perspective: I thought it was interesting how all of Jurgis' co-workers hated their job but Jurgis didn't fully understand why they did. I think it's because people who have been working in the American industry for a longer period understand the working conditions. Unlike Jurgis who came and doesn't understand. Even though Jurgis' job requires hard work and effort, he feels this is what the 'American Dream' is. "When Jurgis would ask them what they meant, they would begin to get suspicious, and content themselves with saying, "Never mind, you stay here and see for yourself."
“A very few days of practical experience in this land of high wages had been sufficient to make clear to them the cruel fact that it was also a land of high prices, and that in it the poor man was almost as poor as in any other corner of the earth; and so there vanished in a night all the wonderful dreams of wealth that had been haunting Jurgis. What had made the discovery all the more painful was that they were spending, at American prices, money which they had earned at home rates of wages—and so were really being cheated by the world!” (Sinclair 30). I connected this quote to the supposition Habit of Mind; it made me wonder if they would ever move to America had they known that wages were so high. With the same amount of work that Jurgis alone does at the packing houses, he could probably make much more back in Lithuania, and so the family was tricked into moving into a place of despair.
Your quote was an excellent choice! It truly encapsulated the futility of poorer American immigrants. However, a beneficial point of clarification could arise from your statement; " had they known that wages were so high,". Should this not ideally state their commodities were highly priced as well?
Quote:"There were some with broken legs, and some with gored sides; there were some that had died, from what cause no one could say; and they were all to be disposed of, here in darkness and silence."
I feel like this quote can describe the corruption that can come with the American dream. For the people that have hope can come with in the cross fire of expansion and civilization. With the disposing of the evidence in the darkness and silence. Were the ones in power for their namesake would get rid of any evidence that could be used against them. For any "health" violations for their own rules.
"It was sickening, like a nightmare, in which suddenly something gives way beneath you, and you feel yourself sinking, sinking, down into bottom-less abyss."
This quote is talking about the feelings the family has when they realize they have to pay interest along with their annual mortgage rate for their house. I didn't choose to connect to this because of the feeling of having to pay an extra amount of money toward something that you hadn't originally planned on, but instead the feeling described within the quote of being let-down. I personally have experienced the feeling of being let down, whether that meaning plans I had originally hoped for ending up being cancelled, or at a more personal level of someone breaking a promise they had originally said they would keep. I understand the feeling described within the text, having something "suddenly give way beneath you," meaning to have your hopes broken.
"Then he saw things in a different light, he got at the inside of them." This quote reminds me of the HOHAM perspective because it says in the beginning of the story that Jurgis was looking at all the positive and good things in America, but when he got there it wasn't what he was expecting.
Jurgis' view on working immediately changes when he faces the real world and the behind the scenes of the factories. When traveling to America he had high hopes of finding a job and making money. With fewer and fewer jobs available, any job he found he would be delighted to work for. He never understood how workers could complain when they had such luck finding a job. Jurgis' perspective changes when he inhales the fumes and glances at the sights of horror inside the factories.
"In these chutes the stream of animals was continuous; it was uncanny to watch them, pressing on to their fate, all unsuspicious--a very river of death."
This quote exemplifies significance for it shows how ignorant the cattle are of their impending doom. Throughout Chapter 3, the reader is subject to a perspective of the entire meat packing facility, with its hundred-thousand pound automatic scale, the cattle being savagely moved about the facility, and the over two hundred and fifty miles of track which the cattle are moved around with. Jurgis states that over eight to ten million cattle are slain annually, truly putting the idea of life's significance into perspective: Is life really that valuable?
On Saturday night they came home with a great basketful of things, and spread them out on the table, while everyone stood round, and the children climbed up on the chairs, or howled to be lifted up to see. There were sugar and salt and tea and crackers, and a can of lard and a milk pail, and a scrubbing brush, and a pair of shoes for the second oldest boy, and a can of oil, and a tack hammer, and a pound of nails.
This exert from the book really made me turn around and view my life in a new light. For the characters in the book, this was a lot! These people make the most of what they have and they don't complain. If they can get a little more, or something extra, I bet they'll be celebrating for the rest of the night. Like in this quote, even the children dropped whatever they were doing to come and see what the people had brought. They were excited for the little things they had.
"They called her back to the story of the house."
Connection: I really connect with this quote because when I read it I just laughed. It made me think of all the times I'd be discussing something with my grandparents or just old people in general and they would be telling me something, and then they always go off topic and tell you a story from a long time ago. And this happened in the book when the grandma was expelling how she paid for the house, and she then proceeded to go off on a tangent and tell the story from a long time ago, about Germans who tried to buy the house. Then they had to remind her to fish the story the she already started and called her back to it.
They had bought their home. It was hard for them to realize that the wonderful house was theirs to move into whenever they chose. They spent all their time thinking about it, and what they were going to put into it.
HOHAM - CONNECTION
As a human every person should have the same feeling the family had after buying the house. I remember when my dad had bought a home when i was 12 it was wonderful just thinking about all the stuff such as items and accessories we could put in the house trying to think of how the family wanted to design it. It just brought me memories of what they have felt as what i felt when buying a house.
Perspective: In this chapter Jurgis finds work to become more and more difficult. He does not mind this, he believes if the money is coming in he has nothing to worry about. He looks at the job as a way to earn money and be better than others. While the others drink after work Jurgis decides to focus on work life. The others in the same house as Jurgis would argee with Jurgis's coworkers in celebrating after work is the appropriate. They, different from Jurgis, don't like their job at all. They do not look at the job as Jurgis would in saying the money is the same no matter where it comes from.
"So Jurgis thought, and so he spoke, in his bold, free way; very much to his surprise, he found that it had a tendency to get him into trouble"
Here Jurgis is using perspective. It is often hard for a person to be honest with themself, about themself but here Jurgis (after working for the first time) seems to have this clear view of himself and habit he has. Perhaps seeing others in a new enviornment provoked this new outlook, or maybe a change in circumstances changed him.
"It was sickening, like a nightmare, in which suddenly something gives way beneath you, and you feel yourself sinking, sinking, down into bottomless abysses. As if in a flash of lightning they saw themselves--victims of a relentless fate, cornered, trapped, in the grip of destruction. All the fair structure of their hopes came crashing about their ears."
Here Jurgis and his family are finding out that the house they "bought" is actually a scam. Their beautiful new home turns out to be an old over priced house infected with some disease. They haven't even bought the house but are instead renting with an enormous interest due each month. I choose the hoham connection because I really connected with their emotions. I haven't ever been cheated in such an impacting and damaging way, but I do relate to the feeling of finding out that people have taken advantage of you. They were so hopeful for the future. Some might argue they were naive but Jurgis did his best by hiring a lawyer to read the contract. They were in a new and unfamiliar land, the blame can't be placed on them. This is the fault of the cruel housing scammers who were intentionally targeting confused immigrants.
"I will work harder"
Ok, It might seem like im just copying off the summary, but I think this works as a connection and a prediction, and possibly perspective. I will work harder are the exact words used by Boxer of animal farm. Its interesting because george orwell talks of the horrors of socialism, while upton talks about the horrors of capitalism, they both talk of characters who believe the key to happiness is within working harder, and others exploit that for their own personal gain. It impresses me, how no matter what system is used, it seems to always involve exploiting the working class.
Some events that I thought were pretty significant took place primarily in chapter 10 when things began going downhill for Marija, Jurgis, and Ona; Marija loses her job and doubts the canning factory will ever reopen and when it does, she just gets fired, Jurgis is struggling to make money for the family, and Ona is about to have a baby without a proper doctor. After a few weeks of searching for a job, Marija gets a job of cutting diseased meat up, but the pay is even worse than what it originally is and she hates the working conditions. I was really shocked at this part in the book because I can barely imagine what it's like to have to go through any of these events or in this time period, and it's sad that so many people had to go through events similar to these just to be able to barely get enough money to live in America and were constantly competing against one another for jobs, no matter how terrible the conditions were.
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