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Jessica Pollock
10/25/2013 07:39:46 am
“There would be meat that had tumbled out on the floor, in the dirt and sawdust, where the workers had tramped and spit uncounted billions of consumption germs.” ch.14
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Rachel Deaton
10/25/2013 08:21:25 am
Amazing post Jessica! I think about that too! I hope that factories now are not as gross as they were in that time.
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10/25/2013 10:41:33 am
I really like the quote you've pick. This also makes me wonder if they changed through out the year. This makes me not want to eat meat if it is the same as back than..
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Malia M.
10/26/2013 02:55:12 am
Great connection to your own life! I agree a lot of the imagery described in the book is really freaking me out about eating meat.
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Sophia Kormanik
10/27/2013 04:07:43 am
I love how you did a perspective HOHAM but you also connected it with your friends.
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Brianna Barboza
10/27/2013 07:40:16 am
"Is there stuff we don’t know about modern day meat factories?"
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Trevin Kraus
10/27/2013 01:41:43 pm
I enjoy the way you connected it to a personal situation. You made me think about the current conditions of meat factories and whether or not things have actually changed or have just been covered up.
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Ysabella Dawson
10/28/2013 01:30:37 am
I think you do prove a very good point here. Just like in The Jungle, today we still don't know what goes on is the factories that produce the things we eat every day.
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Sophia C.
10/28/2013 07:55:39 am
I love your analysis. I think meat factories have changed, but the conditions are still not very sanitary, the animals are treated horribly, and diseased meat is still sold. The hiddenness of meat factories is actually a big debate and there are many educational documentaries about it including one called Food Inc. if you are interested. I've seen it and it is quite interesting and good.
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Casper Norrman Rasmussen
10/28/2013 02:33:20 pm
I agree with you Jessica, even though this book is written in another century, it doesn't mean that it still isn't like this today.
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Sarah Olson
10/25/2013 08:09:13 am
"They could not even cry out beneath it; but anguish would seize them, more dreadful than the agony of death. It was a thing scarcely to be spoken--a thing never spoken by all the world, that will not know its own defeat."
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Rachel Deaton
10/25/2013 08:27:39 am
Wonderful post Sarah (Pookie), you gave a clear explanation of your feelings. This is a great book and I feel the exact same way you do about it.
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Gage Gamboa
10/25/2013 11:56:25 am
Fantastic post! Your addition of the second quote within the comment was a nice choice and it supplemented your ideas. I love your last statement about humanity's ability to hope and persevere.
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Karye
10/25/2013 02:14:36 pm
Awesome! Loved the quotes and the reflection. You really took time for this.
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Malia M.
10/26/2013 02:56:45 am
Awesome post! Your quote is beautiful in a really despairing way.
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Lance Shuler
10/27/2013 07:13:46 am
Very thoughtful response, and I like how you related hope to your response
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Brianna Barboza
10/27/2013 07:36:34 am
Very reflective, Sarah! You really elaborate on the quote you chose and dove deeper, adding your own feelings.
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Carly
10/27/2013 08:34:05 am
Awesome post, I love how you managed to find the positive in these chapters, rather than focusing on all the terrible things that are happening
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Sophia C.
10/28/2013 07:58:12 am
I think the way you talked about how even in this horrible situation the people somehow manage to find hope is lovely! I really enjoyed reading your thoughts!
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Hayes Sherr
10/28/2013 06:07:30 pm
I liked this statement a lot. It's amazing how no matter what was stopping the family, they still tried their hardest to move on.
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Ryan Martinez
10/25/2013 08:10:36 am
They were beaten; they had lost the game, they were swept aside. It was not less tragic because it was so sordid, because that it had to do with wages and grocery bills and rents. They had dreamed of freedom; of a chance to look about them and learn something; to be decent and clean, to see their child group up to be strong. And now it was all gone-it would never be!"
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Chris Bargman
10/25/2013 09:13:20 am
I like how when people were posting about how things are going downhill in the book you chose an interesting Habit to link it to as opposed to supposition.
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Grady Gumner
10/25/2013 12:27:02 pm
That's some pretty deep and optimistic analyzing... Your quote definitely fits "unlimited potential", but you also talk a lot about what you predict might happen. Do you think "supposition" could also fit the quote you chose?
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Andrew Ledezma
10/25/2013 02:46:40 pm
I like how you chose to focus on what good might come out of this! I think that this has some overlap in supposition, but I think unlimited potential creates a great lens to look at the book from!
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Preston Royal
10/25/2013 03:56:40 pm
Great Job Mr. Martinez!
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Jessica Pollock
10/28/2013 05:51:16 pm
I agree that this shows their unlimited potential. Expand on why this passage was so hard for your to read. What did it make you feel?
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Rachel Deaton
10/25/2013 08:16:47 am
"For Ona was visibly going to pieces. In the first place she was developing a cough, like the one that had killed old Dede Antanas."
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10/25/2013 10:43:55 am
Great job! I like how your post has a lot of your thought process in here. I also do predict she will be the next one to pass away.
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Andrew Ledezma
10/25/2013 02:48:33 pm
I agree with your statements and supposition with the book. As much as I would like to think that things will get better, its not what its looking like right now. I liked your deep and thorough HOHAM Analysis!
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Meilani
10/25/2013 06:32:05 pm
I think that your prediction is really interesting and insightfully based on information on the book. Its really realistic as to what will possibly happen.
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Carly
10/27/2013 08:37:37 am
Great prediction! I agree that there is a high risk of Ona dying, and I thought the same thing while reading!
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Crystal
10/28/2013 03:31:05 am
Really great quote you chose, Rachel. You analysis really helped with the undertanding of the quote. :)
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Chris Bargman
10/25/2013 09:10:20 am
"Jurgis, being a man, had troubles of his own. There was another specter following him. He had never spoken of it, nor would he allow any one else to speak of it--he had never acknowledged its existence to himself. Yet the battle with it took all the manhood that he had--and once or twice, alas, a little more. Jurgis had discovered drink."
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Chris Bargman
10/25/2013 09:11:20 am
*will not be the same after this point in the book*
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Gage Gamboa
10/25/2013 11:59:19 am
Nice post! I completely agree with your observation that Jurgis and Ona are likely to never be the same. You did a great job capturing the gravity of this pivotal moment in the story.
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Trey Lewis
10/26/2013 05:35:13 am
Nice Quote! I would agree with the supposition paragraph and how this is a sad part of the book. Almost everything is being thrown at this family and they just have to roll with the punches.
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Justin Walker
10/26/2013 10:43:15 am
Excellent quote choice, Chris. Your analysis of this quote highlights Jurgis's entry to the abyss for beginning alcohol consumption.
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Tyler Felix
10/25/2013 09:11:43 am
"With one member trimming beef in a cannery, and another working in a sausage factory, the family had a first-hand knowledge of the great majority of Packingtown swindles. For it was the custom, as they found, whenever meat was so spoiled that it could not be used for anything else, either to can it or else to chop it up into sausage."
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Grady Gumner
10/25/2013 12:24:01 pm
Why do you suppose Jurgis would do that when he is barely making a living wage? Also, I don't think the unsanitary ways of meat factories were unknown of, rather looked away from. As the book has stated, there were government inspectors at the factories, however they were useless because they could easily be paid off to keep them from reporting any law breaking on the part of the factory.
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Karye
10/25/2013 02:36:54 pm
I liked how you put your opinion instead of a summary what you read. I thought you had a cool reflection and hoham. Good job!
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Tess Herzog
10/26/2013 10:35:04 am
It's a really great thought about if Jurgis did tell about what the country what the factories are doing with the meat. If he were able to do it with other people, maybe the Americans may not buy the meat, making the factory have to produce better quality food. It would be hard to start but if he were successful that would be really cool.
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Vivian Mason
10/26/2013 01:50:25 pm
I never would have thought to apply supposition here. It seemed challenging to connect and create a thorough paragraph on. You did a nice job doing so. Next time try going into greater detail on how Jurgis and Ona are depressed, how this is shone in the book. Over all very interesting and good HOHAM/response.
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10/25/2013 10:38:15 am
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Xochitl Aguinaga
10/25/2013 04:22:42 pm
I really like how you connected Jurgis' situation to your own life.You talk about how you believe that by working hard in school you will get a good job.Jurgis is similar in that he believed by working hard he would move up and secure a good living--but that proved to be quite the opposite for him.What if you found out that despite your hard work in school you wouldn't get the opportunites you dreamed of? How would you react?
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Chelsea
10/28/2013 06:26:00 am
I really liked how you connected your quote to your personal life.
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Jessica Pollock
10/28/2013 05:53:17 pm
I agree this shows unlimited potential because they keep pushing to get through tough times knowing it will get better. It seems as though you connected alot to this quote.
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Gage Gamboa
10/25/2013 11:53:09 am
“It was if their hopes were buried in separate graves.” Page 143 (Barnes & Noble Classics Edition), about halfway through Chapter 14.
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Preston Royal
10/25/2013 03:52:58 pm
Great Post Mr. Gamboa!
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Tess Herzog
10/26/2013 10:31:07 am
The quote you chose was really good. It really says a lot about their situation. I like how you talk about the dreams they once had, because they are so different from the situation they are in now.
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Lance Shuler
10/27/2013 07:11:44 am
Nice response. And I do agree with you, it is really sad that they have to go through this, and the working is destroying their relationship
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John Laine
10/28/2013 04:03:41 pm
Very nice quote. I liked how you brought out the point go Jurgis and Ona being defeated together and apart. Very nice.
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Grady Gumner
10/25/2013 12:19:31 pm
Quote: "Although Jurgis did not understand it all, he knew enough by this time to realize that it was not supposed to be right to sell your vote. However, as everyone did it, and his refusal to join would not have made the slightest difference in the results, the idea of refusing would have seemed absurd, had it ever come into his head." (Sinclair 134)
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Meilani
10/25/2013 06:33:16 pm
I also think this type of revelation is shocking and I like how you relate the happenings from then and now and how they've changed.
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Jessica
10/28/2013 08:18:53 am
This part of the text really shocked me as well although I knew that elections weren't as fair as they are today. Before reading this I had no idea that people could be paid to sway the vote and I think it's great that you focused on that for your Reflection!
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Andrew Ledezma
10/25/2013 02:44:45 pm
“you might see men and women and children bending over whirling machines and sawing bits of bone into all sorts of shapes, breathing their lungs full of the fine dust, and doomed to die, every one of them, within a certain definite time.”
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Preston Royal
10/25/2013 04:08:44 pm
Quote: “Yet the soul of Ona was not dead—the souls of none of them were dead, but only sleeping; and now and then they would waken, and these were cruel times." -Chapter 14
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Xochitl Aguinaga
10/25/2013 04:14:21 pm
I found myself really struck by this quote as well, it truly captures the burden the family faces from their hard work in such a beautiful way.
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Hannah
10/26/2013 02:44:54 am
I almost chose this quote! I completely agree with you that this is tied to significance, and I like how well you reflected on this.
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rilind
10/26/2013 04:48:37 am
Nice analysis. This is a very good quote-these people are practically zombies with bottled up emotions and near lost hope, trying to make up and escape all the bad luck that they have had.
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Xochitl Aguinaga
10/25/2013 04:10:14 pm
“It was stupefying, brutalizing work; it left her no time to think, no strength for anything.She was part of the machine she tended, and every faculty that was not needed for the machine was doomed to be crushed out of existence. There was only one mercy about the cruel grind--that it gave her the gift of insensibility. Little by little she sank into a torpor--she fell silent.”
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Hannah
10/26/2013 02:42:15 am
Xochitl- I really like how you connected this quote to modern day society, and touched an important topic today.
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Sabrina
10/28/2013 11:28:21 am
I like how you did Data, and Commentary x2 format here. I feel that if there was a quest paragraph on this quote, you would have aced it.
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Meilani
10/25/2013 06:29:35 pm
"He had faced difficulties before, but they had been child's play; now there was a death struggle and all the furies were unchained within him."
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Erik Salazar
10/27/2013 02:49:42 am
Good analysis of that quote, what do you suppose will happen to Jurgis if he does lose his will and ability to stay string through these conditions.
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Hannah O'Connell
10/26/2013 02:17:17 am
QUOTE: "So he would carry on, becoming half hysterical himself, which was an unbearable thing to see in a big man; Ona would pull herself together and fling herself into his arms, begging him to stop, to be still, that she would be better, it would be all right. So she would lie and sob out her grief upon his shoulder, while he gazed at her, as helpless as a wounded animal, the target of unseen enemies."
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Rilind
10/26/2013 04:46:31 am
I can really agree with you on the whole "what if" factor. They have had terrible luck in the past, and their lives are upsidedown right now. I really hope Jurgis's Meeting-attending, and night classes will help them make advances, and eventually have everything together.
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Vivian Mason
10/26/2013 01:56:31 pm
WOW! What a great response, I enjoyed the detail you went into, and how I could feel your passion leaking through in your response. Over all great job! :)
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Meranda Knowles
10/28/2013 01:13:52 pm
Great reflection! And it is entirely true just how hopeless they are becoming. It is extremely sad just to watch them, and I am scared too for whats going to happen in the next reading.
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Malia M.
10/26/2013 02:53:43 am
"Little Kotrina was like most children of the poor, prematurely made old; she had to take care of her little brother, who was a cripple, and also of the baby; she had to cook the meals and wash the dishes and clean house, and have supper ready when the workers came home in the evening."
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Halee Robinson
10/28/2013 08:48:09 am
This is a really interesting point of view. I hadn't considered how dependent the family is on one another, and how much they rely on even the children of the family to support them.
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Rilind
10/26/2013 04:44:06 am
"The meat would be shoveled into carts, and the man who did the shoveling would not trouble to lift out a rat even when he saw one. there were things that went into the sausage in comparison with which a poisoned rat was a tidbit. There was no place for the men to wash their hands before they ate their dinner, and so they made a practice of washing them in the water that was to be ladled into the sausage. There were the butt-ends of smoked meat, and the scraps of corned beef, and all the odds and ends of the waste of the plants, that would be dumped into old barrels in the cellar and left there. Under the system of rigid economy which the packers enforced, there were some jobs that it only paid to do once in a long time, and among these was the cleaning out of the waste barrels. Every spring they did it; and in the barrels would be dirt and rust and old nails and stale water—and cartload after cartload of it would be taken up and dumped into the hoppers with fresh meat, and sent out to the public’s breakfast."
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Justin Walker
10/26/2013 10:45:34 am
Your quote could definitely use a large trimming ("The meat would be shoveled into carts, and the man who did the shoveling would not trouble to lift out a rat even when he saw one... There was no place for the men to wash their hands before they ate their dinner, and so they made a practice of washing them in the water that was to be ladled into the sausage," might be an adequate reduction) but otherwise, your analysis of this quote is concise and accurately represents the source material.
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Cole Sargent
10/27/2013 07:39:49 am
I agree with Justin, and you can use "..." to get rid of parts of the quote not important to you. Great analysis!
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Trey Lewis
10/26/2013 05:32:28 am
"And now he died. Perhaps it was the smoked sausage he had eaten that morning--which may have been made out of some of the tubercular pork that was condemncd as unfit for export."
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Tess Herzog
10/26/2013 10:28:33 am
“The sausage-room was an interesting place to visit, for two or three minutes, and provided that you did not look at the people; the machines were perhaps the most wonderful things in the entire planet.”
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Paris Gramann
10/27/2013 01:29:24 pm
It makes you wonder if the people are just as much of a machine.
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Sabrina
10/28/2013 11:30:18 am
Nice choice... It really interests me after reading your response to think at how the factory bosses would view the naming of their workers as machines. Would they view this as a positive description?
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Justin Walker
10/26/2013 10:41:15 am
"An unmarried man could save, if he did not drink, and if he was absolutely selfish-- that is, if he paid no heed to the demands of his old parents, or of his little brothers and sisters, or of any other relatives he may have, as well as of the members of the union, and his chums, and the people who were starving to death next door."
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Jessica
10/28/2013 08:39:31 am
The quote that you chose was very interesting to me because I think it accurately sums up the reality of the American dream. There is truth in saying that Americans have the potential to become rich and rise up from their current societal bonds, however, the chances of that happening are slim when one takes into account other priorities such as family, drinking, unions, and other empathetic human ideologies.
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Jackson Walker
10/26/2013 11:01:13 am
"Little Kotrina, who was all alone with him, ran out screaming for help, and after a while a doctor came, but not until Kristoforas had howled his last howl. No one was really sorry about this except poor Elzbieta, who was inconsolable." (pg. 105)
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Casper Norrman Rasmussen
10/28/2013 02:38:19 pm
You really made me thinking about this significance. I was wondering that if it really was like that once even though it is not that long time ago, and were caring about more surviving than living.
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Jordan Garcia
10/26/2013 01:20:55 pm
"Working in his shirt sleeves, and with the thermometer at over a hundred, the phosphates soaked in through every pore of Jurgis' skin, and in five minutes he had a headache, and in fifteen was almost dazed. The blood was pounding in his brain like an engine's throbbing; there was a frightful pain in the top of his skull, and he could hardly control his hands. Still, with the memory of his four months' siege behind him, he fought on, in a frenzy of determination; "
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Erik Salazar
10/27/2013 02:52:56 am
The working conditions were awful at the time and your quote expresses it perfectly. The way Jurgis still has not yet lost his sanity is a goal in its self.
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Karen
10/27/2013 12:19:32 pm
I really liked the hoham you used, and how you explained that Jurgis used this difficult moment in his life to move forward and improve.
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Vivian Mason
10/26/2013 01:46:28 pm
Quote: "...the souls of none of them were dead, but only sleeping;"
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Erik Salazar
10/27/2013 03:33:43 am
"...He could drink! He could forget the pain, he could slip off the burden; he would see clearly again, he would be master of his brain, of his thoughts, of his will. His dead self would stir in him, and he would find himself laughing and cracking jokes with his companions--he would be a man again, and master of his life."
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Sophia Kormanik
10/27/2013 06:39:52 am
"Little Kotrina was like most children of the poor, prematurely made old; she had to take care of her little brother, who was a cripple, and also of the baby; she had to cook meals and wash the dishes and clean house, and have supper ready when the workers came home in the evening. She was only thirteen, and small for her age, but she did all this without a murmur; and her mother went out, and after trudging a couple of days about the yards, settled down as a servant of a “sausage machine”.”
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Crystal
10/28/2013 03:32:09 am
I really liked the HOHAm you chose and how you related it to the quote as well as the passage :)
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Crystal Delgado
10/27/2013 06:58:06 am
"They were beaten; they had lost the game, they were swept aside. It was not less tragic because it was so sordid, because that it had to do with wages and grocery bills and rents. They had dreamed of freedom; of a chance to look about them and learn something; to be decent and clean, to see their child group up to be strong. And now it was all gone-it would never be!"
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Lance Shuler
10/27/2013 07:00:08 am
"It was to his building that Jurgis came daily, as if dragged by an unseen hand."
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Xochitl Aguinaga
10/27/2013 03:50:36 pm
I like your reflection, but remember it has to follow the HOHAM guidelines.
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Hayes Sherr
10/28/2013 06:04:13 pm
I agree with you, I wouldn't want to go to a job I didn't like especially if I was forced. this statement brings a lot of good points.
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Brianna Barboza
10/27/2013 07:35:02 am
"At any rate he was wretchedly sick and undersized; he had the rickets, and though he was over three years old, he was no bigger than an ordinary child of one. All day long he would crawl around the floor in a filthy little dress, whining and fretting; because the floor was full of drafts he was always catching cold, and snuffling because his nose ran. This made him a nuisance, and a source of endless trouble in the family. For his mother, with unnatural perversity, loved him best of all her children, and made a perpetual fuss over him--would let him do anything undisturbed, and would burst into tears when his fretting drove Jurgis wild." - Chapter 12
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Cole Sargent
10/27/2013 07:41:11 am
Excellent point! I also think that Kristoforas' death is symbolic of bad things to come.
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Cole Sargent
10/27/2013 07:38:00 am
“They had dreamed of freedom; of a chance to look about them and learn something; to be decent and clean, to see their child grow up to be strong. And now it was all gone—it would never be! They had played the game and they had lost. Six years more of toil they had to face before they could expect the least respite, the cessation of the payments upon the house; and how cruelly certain it was that they could never stand six years of such a life as they were living!” (Sinclair 149). This quote was significant to me because it made me realize that they probably couldn’t handle six more years of this. With the growing interest on the house loan, family members falling to sickness, and Jurgis’ new treacherous job at the fertilizer plant and new drinking problem, I don’t think things are going in a very good direction, and I think that any of them will be lucky to leave the town alive and unbroken. The attitude of the meat-packing industry at this time is sickening beyond description. Just to think of all of the families destroyed with the false promise of the American dream, killed by the very meat that they manufactured, is immensely depressing, and it makes me wonder how the men that were in charge of this thing had gotten so greedy? I think that they way the industry uses these people is worse than death--they’re broken, lied to, made to suffer, their entire families ruined and tossed aside for the new and undefiled. How could these people be so greedy? Even if they simply made the factory a safe place to work at, where hard work was rewarded not with death and disease, but with safety and good health, they would have immeasurably improved working conditions. What the hell is going through these bosses heads?
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Xochitl Aguinaga
10/27/2013 03:53:54 pm
Very insightful post of the whole book so far.
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Sarah Hardin
10/28/2013 06:40:58 am
I like the way you closed your arguments. I don't think anyone knows to be honest! (You know, aside from money, what can make them money and complete disregard for anything that can't make them money).
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Carly
10/27/2013 08:44:15 am
"Six years more of toil they had to face before they could expect the least respite, the cessation of the payments upon the house; and how cruelly certain it was that they could never stand six years of such a life as they were living!"
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Sarah Hardin
10/28/2013 06:37:12 am
Exactly my thought process when reading this part. I think we're all definitely waiting for things to take a turn for the better, but it seems that won't be coming so long as this company stays the same.
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Ryan
10/27/2013 09:52:20 am
"Although Jurgis did not understand it all, he knew enough by this time to realize that it was not supposed to be right to sell your vote. However, as everyone did it, and his refusal to join would not have made the slightest difference in the results, the idea of refusing would have seemed absurd, had it ever come into his head." Page 134
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Karen
10/27/2013 12:17:11 pm
I really like how you connected the chapter to the history of our country and how sometimes stricter laws are put, but fail and they still continue.
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Karen
10/27/2013 12:15:46 pm
Quote: "It was a battle that had no end, that never could have one."
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Paris Gramann
10/27/2013 01:26:14 pm
Karen, I really like this connection. I think it completely relates to our current society. It reminds of the 2012 election GMO proposition where they wanted to have all of the nutrition information readily available for all foods.
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Trevin Kraus
10/27/2013 01:35:26 pm
You make a really great point. Even though we have made huge advancements in the food industry since then it's almost as if nothing has changed in the moral principles that lie behind the huge corporate monsters of America.
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Ysabella Dawson
10/28/2013 01:28:49 am
I think you state a very good point by this, Yes, they do know what horrible things happen in Packingtown, but they are helpless to do anything about it and just have to keep trudging on.
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Paris Gramann
10/27/2013 01:09:37 pm
"The place, of course, was in an uproar; women fainting and shrieking, and men rushing in. Jurgis was so bent upon his task that he knew nothing of this, and scarcely realized that people were trying to interfere with him; it was only when half a dozen men had seized him by the legs and shoulders and were pulling at him, that he understood that he was losing his prey. In a flash he had bent down and sunk his teeth into the man's cheek; and when they tore him away he was dripping with blood, and little ribbons of skin were hanging in his mouth." Ch. 15
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Rachel Maristela
10/28/2013 05:24:09 am
I really like your point in your entry. You really explained your point of integrity in a really different way and it was very well done! :)
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Julz Valencia
10/28/2013 01:28:38 pm
I agree with Rachel, I like how you tell us, as to what you think defines integrity, and then you picked a quote that does not exemplify it but rather the opposite. Thats really cool and unique.
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Trevin Kraus
10/27/2013 01:28:32 pm
Quote: "This is no fairy story and no joke; the meat will be shoveled into carts and the man who did the shoveling will not trouble to lift out a rat even when he saw one."
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John
10/27/2013 02:43:57 pm
"Little Kotrina was like most children of the poor, prematurely made old; she had to take care of her little brother, who was a cripple, and also of the baby; she had to cook the meals and wash the dishes and clean house, and have supper ready when the workers came home in the evening."
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Xochitl Aguinaga
10/27/2013 04:55:03 pm
"Within his soul it was like a roaring furnace; he stood waiting, waiting, crouching as if for a spring”
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Ysabella Dawson
10/28/2013 01:20:02 am
“There was never the least attention paid to what was cut up for sausage; there would come all the way back from Europe old sausage that had been rejected, and that was mouldy and white- it would be dosed with borax and glycerine, and dumped into the hoppers, and made over again for home consumption. There would be meat that had tumbled out on the floor, in the dirt and sawdust, where the workers had tramped and spit uncounted billions of consumption germs. There would be meat stored in great piles in rooms; and the water from leaky roofs would drip over it, and thousands of rats would race about on it.”
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Halee Robinson
10/28/2013 09:03:23 am
I definitely agree with you here. I, too, found it interesting that Elzbieta is working to package the same sausages her son likely died because of. If I worked at a meat packing factory, I can't imagine that I would be able to eat meat again, although I suppose they have little choice unless they want to starve.
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Meranda Knowles
10/28/2013 01:10:15 pm
You always give a great reflection on the quote! It is really disgusting what they put in the meat. And at least the family is aware of that now
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Rachel Maristela
10/28/2013 04:24:55 am
"It was a battle that had no end, that never could have one. But Jurgis did not realize that very clearly; he was not given much time for reflection; He simply knew that he was always fighting." (Chapter 14)
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Katie Cooke
10/28/2013 05:35:34 am
“The gates of memory would roll open—old joys would stretch out their arms to them, old hopes and dreams would call to them, and they would stir beneath the burden that lay upon them, and feel its forever immeasurable weight. ”
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Chelsea Flores
10/28/2013 06:17:31 am
"They had dreamed of freedom; of a chance to look about them and learn something; to be decent and clean, to see their child grow up to be strong. And now it was all gone--it would never be! They had played the game and they had lost."
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Salina
10/28/2013 12:26:33 pm
I really like the connection you made here, I wonder of their lives would be better if they hadn't immigrated or if their home town was even worse then the conditions in America.
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Sarah Hardin
10/28/2013 06:56:59 am
"There would be meat that had tumbled out on the floor, in the dirt and sawdust, where the workers had tramped and spit uncounted billions of consumption germs. There would be meat stored in great piles in rooms; and the water from leaky roofs would drip over it, and thousands of rats would race about on it."
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Anthony Williams
10/28/2013 07:12:09 am
“And still Jurgis stuck it out! In spite of splitting headaches he would stagger down to the plant and take up his stand once more, and begin to shovel in the blinding clouds of dust.”
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Sophia C.
10/28/2013 07:52:40 am
"No one was really sorry about this except poor Elzbieta, who was inconsolable."
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Halee Robinson
10/28/2013 08:33:13 am
"They had dreamed of freedom; of a chance to look about them and learn something; to be decent and clean, to see their child grow up to be strong. And now it was all gone--it would never be! They had played the game and they had lost."
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Jessica Boensch
10/28/2013 09:16:00 am
"Of course Jurgis had made his home a miniature fertilizer mill a minute after entering. The stuff was half an inch deep in his skin—his whole system was full of it, and it would have taken a week not merely of scrubbing, but of vigorous exercise, to get it out of him."
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Max Klein
10/28/2013 02:11:15 pm
The opposite of self-advocacy idea you talked about is an interesting way to look at it. I never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense.
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Sabrina
10/28/2013 11:26:14 am
"One of the consequences of this episode was that the first joints of three of the little boy's fingers were permanently disabled, and another that thereafter he always had to be beaten before he set out to work, whenever there was fresh snow on the ground."
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Salina
10/28/2013 12:28:19 pm
Wow I love that you connected this is the paper we read, I didn't see this before.
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Salina
10/28/2013 12:24:12 pm
"whenever meat was so spoiled that it could not be used for anything else, either to can it or else to chop it up into sausage." Chapter 14
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Julz Valencia
10/28/2013 01:17:38 pm
I like how you think about what it would be like to be in the characters place in the book.
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Meranda Knowles
10/28/2013 01:05:21 pm
"Ona, too, was falling into a habit of silence—Ona, who had once gone about singing like a bird."
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Julz Valencia
10/28/2013 01:07:44 pm
"Jurgis, being a man, had troubles of his own. There was another specter following him. He had never spoken of it, nor would he allow any one else to speak of it--he had never acknowledged its existence to himself. Yet the battle with it took all the manhood that he had--and once or twice, alas, a little more. Jurgis had discovered drink." Chapter 14.
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Max Klein
10/28/2013 02:07:47 pm
"The blood was pounding in his brain like an engine's throbbing; there was a frightful pain in the top of his skull, and he could hardly control his hands. Still, with the memory of his four months' siege behind him, he fought on, in a frenzy of determination" pg. 138
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Casper Norrman Rasmussen
10/28/2013 02:30:53 pm
quote:
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Alura Polese
10/28/2013 03:51:03 pm
"Here was a population, low-class and mostly foreign, hanging always on the verge of starvation, and dependent for its opportunities of life upon the whim of men every bit as brutal and unscrupulous as the old-time slave drivers; under such circumstances immorality was exactly as inevitable, and as prevalent, as it was under the system of chattel slavery."
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John Laine
10/28/2013 04:09:03 pm
"Yet the soul of Ona was not dead--the souls of none of them were dead, but only sleeping; and now and then they would waken, and these were cruel times."Chp. 14.(about 2/5 of the way in)
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Hayes Sherr
10/28/2013 05:57:04 pm
"There was no place for the men to wash their hands before they ate their dinner, and so they made a practice of washing them in the water that was to be ladled into the sausage."
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Hank Sherr
10/28/2013 06:23:25 pm
Quote: "These rats were nuisances, and the packers would put poisoned bread out for them; they would die, and then rats, bread, and meat would go into the hoppers together."
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Hank Sherr
10/28/2013 06:30:10 pm
I agree with Alura, like how you said people still these days are unprivileged a lot of the times, and were all individuals.
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Hank Sherr
10/28/2013 06:32:53 pm
Nice John, I think it's true America is not a dream and people have to realize that is isn't. We got a lot of problems in America and were not perfect.
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Chris dang
10/28/2013 10:08:23 pm
The fertilizer works of Durham’s lay away from the rest
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Quentin Jackson
11/12/2013 12:15:31 pm
It was not for himself that he suffered— what did a man who worked in Durham's fertilizer mill care about anything that the world might do to him! What was any tyranny of prison compared with the tyranny of the past, of the thing that had happened and could not be recalled, of the memory that could never be effaced!
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