Connection: I chose to write about the Habit of Heart “connection”. I do not imply a personal connection to the text, but rather how the characters within the passage connect with each other. While Tamoszius (the five-foot violinist) plays his passionate musical pieces at the "veselja", the guests of the weddings all have emotional responses to his performance. They fondly recall childhood memories and old friendships. I interpreted that passage as a demonstration of the wedding guests’ connections through their native music. The wedding is mainly composed of Polish immigrants and the music acts as a shared connection to their homeland for all of them.
That was neat how you didn't connect to yourself, but instead found connections within the text. Do you predict that their culture will be preserved throughout the book? How?
Wow Gage! That was a piece of the book that I didn't think of in that way. I would agree with what your saying though. I think the "veselja" was a huge reminder of the past and previous location for a lot of these people.
I would have to agree with Trey at this. I completely missed on that, and never thought of what you said until now. Props to you!
That was a very unique connection. I really enjoyed the angle you took.
Wow, this is a very interesting and strong personal connection you seem to have!
That was an interesting connection you made that I didn't even see. Great job.
I completely agree with you, I saw more of a connection amongst the people at the " veselija " than I did with myself when they cheered for Tamoszius's music. I stated that this music is their tradition and their tradition is their past.
"One never saw the fields, nor any green thing whatever, in Packingtown; but one could go out on the road and "hobo it", as the men phrased it, and see the country, and have a long rest, and an easy time riding on the freight-cars." This is a textbook example of perception as it showcases how one's perception can easily change due to atmosphere. Earlier in the chapter, inner Chicago was described as being smoggy and grey, inviting a comparison between the fresh countryside and the filthy city.
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"One never saw the fields, nor any green thing whatever, in Packingtown; but one could go out on the road and "hobo it", as the men phrased it, and see the country, and have a long rest, and an easy time riding on the freight-cars."
Perspective is an excellent representative of this phrase and the chapter as most of the contents of this chapter was the titanic change in both location and culture of Jurgis and his party. In Lithuania, Jurgis wishes to purchase a wife and overhears tales of the wealthy Americans who make ten times his salary. When he actually arrives in the United States, he finds that the Americans make so much money due to everything else costing even more. His perspective of America and its immigration drastically change when he looks deeper into this empty promise, although it is definitely late. A second example would be from the quote. In the chapter, Packingtown is thoroughly described, with the disgusting smog, light braying of thousands of cattle, possessing an awful stench, and general absence of hygiene. The countryside is then described by those who "hobo it" and reading the passage truly felt like a breath of fresh air. While back in Lithuania, Jurgis would not wish to perform such a task since greenery was always encompassing him. In Chicago, however, his perception of something which he always took for granted deviates due to its frightening absence. One's perception of a place or event should always be open to change; for if it is resisted, then one is simply digging themselves a deeper grave.
The quote you chose was really spot on with your HOHAM. I love the detail you put into your description and how you thoroughly examined it.
Justin your response needs to be a healthy paragraph and perception is not one of the HOHAM's :)
“... men who for six or seven months in the year never see the sunlight from Sunday afternoon till the next Sunday morning-- and who cannot earn three hundred dollars in a year.”
Self-Advocacy: The characters in the Jungle use Self-Advocacy because they persevere. Immigrants moved to America to obtain a new life that was promised to them: full of opportunities and endless possibilities. However, when they got here, they experienced terrible conditions, many getting diseases from meat packing and some never seeing sunlight for days on end. On top of the unfortunate conditions, the working class received little pay - definitely not enough to live out the “American Dream.” However, through all of this muck, they continue to work hard and live life in joyous manners. They celebrate the marriages and the births and the elders keep the old traditions alive in this new culture. They persevere through their taxing day jobs, for reasons one could argue. To reach the end goal of happiness and that promised “American Dream”? Or was it to simply get through to the next day without losing their home and loved ones? They persevere in America because maybe life is better here. Maybe they can’t get back home. Or maybe they believe their lives will change in the coming future.
I think that's really cool how they kept theirs heads up and tried to look on the positive side. I also think it's cool how you included self-advoacy in such a different way.
You really captured the gist of why so many people risked all they had to achieve their "American Dream", yet there was a deep desire to retain certain aspects of their home country.
I completely agree and I think that unlimited potential plays into the book in sort of a twisted way. The "pull factor" of America is unlimited potential, and thats what drew immigrants there, but that seemed a false promise to many as you mention in your entry. Great work!
I think your description of the "American Dream" is spot on. I really like how you question what the goal is of working long hours with little pay. It made me wonder if life really was better for them in America or if they were just trying to keep food on the table once they got here.
I agree with what Tess has said. The way that you question what the emigrants are there for in the first place makes you really think about it, and wonder if they ever will achieve this "American Dream".
I think that what you brought up was very interesting, especially how they struggled through all the bitterness and hard work to try to achieve the American Dream. The characters from Lithuania thought that their lives would be significantly better once they came to America, but they were not expecting that they would have to struggle and fight to achieve their dream.
I agree with Bella on this, the points you brought up were really interesting and it really makes the right connections.
I strongly agree with Tess on this. These newcomers have definitely kept their heads up but at the same time pondered what was to come next. They were undergoing poor conditions that caused illness and even not fully accepted by the ones already living in America.
Just like Tess mentioned, you really did put the "American Dream" questions in the perspective of one's life back then. Will they achieve their goal eventually? But will sacrifices be made? Still, they kept the attitude that things will get better and at least they're making some money even if it's not a lot. And what you put was an excellent example of Self-Advocacy.
I totally agree with you. To these immigrants, the "American Dream" was little more than a hopeful idea and maybe even a lie. Their quality of life, voice for change, and options for the future were so limited.
Perspective: I decided to do perspective because it appears in the book quite often. The main perspective revolves around lifestyle. The way these immigrates are being treated looks awful to most people modern-day, although people back then, for example Jurgis, think the working conditions are fine and enjoy the chance to be able to get a wage. The other perspective comes from the eye of the business owner. They at the time loved that workers would do so much for so little because they didn't know the difference.
How would you compare the working situations from back then (like what you talked about) to modern day?
Also, like you mentioned, Jurgis seems fine with the current conditions. With someone of his personality, how do you think he will be turned against the working conditions? What will it take?
Let me know if none of that makes sense!
I think that Jurgis's willingness to work struck me because in the modern day, the working conditions seem atrocious, but Jurgis's mindset was to only look forward. Awesome journal entry!
I agree with you Trey! When I was reading this book I also thought that the immigrants were being treated terribly, but now that I think about, people back then thought it was completely normal.
“So America was a place of which lovers and young people dreamed. If one could only manage to get the price of a passage, he could count his troubles at an end.”
Connection: Jurgis thought that in America everyone was prosperous. The rumor was that people there earned “three rubles per day”, so Jurgis set off for America where he would get rich and get the woman that he loves. I see a connection between this and our immigration presentations. There was always a pull factor and America’s pull factor was a vision of riches and a prosperous life. Jurgis saw this and moved to America where he encountered terrible working conditions, and horrible pay.The push factor was to get out of the Polish countryside, and strike it rich in an American city. It is stated in the text that the grand “veselja” cost as much as one mans wages for one year. The group of Polish immigrants paid for it because of their refusal to give up and give up their values.
I like how you connected the book to the presentations were doing in class, I would like to hear more on why you see the connections.
i agree with you salina, im intrusted in what you have to say about your connections
Perspective: Upton Sinclair does something very interesting by talking about this group of European immigrants as a strong community, albeit possessing issues, but overall just a group of people just wanting to make a better life for themselves while preserving their culture. By doing this and showing the rich sense of community and sharing present in the people he is creating a sense of sympathy that wasn't altogether popular at the time the book was published. This perspective humanizes the people that have been looked down upon by all non-immigrants, in the process beginning the destruction of the stereotypes that accompany immigrants in early 19th century America.
I like how you bring up the point that giving immigrants a good image at the time this book was published was not popular. It really makes me think about what he was trying to achieve at the time he published this book. In present day, it teaches about the conditions for immigrants in the past, but when published, it could have been Sinclair's attempt at pushing for equality.
I also liked how Sinclair chose to highlight the immigrants in a somewhat positive way, but I never thought about how he was one of the only people depicting non-americans in a good way
I like how you bring up he is saying how immigration is a good thing because they just want a fresh start and a new life while preserving their culture.
“There are learned people who can tell you out of the statistics that beef-boners make forty cents an hour, but, perhaps, these people have never looked into a beef-boner’s hands”
I felt that this quote showed two very significant perspectives. Oftentimes, people are jealous of the money someone else makes, yet they don’t realize what the person is sacrificing to have that job. In the story, people knew how much beef-boners made, yet they had no idea what the struggle was that the workers had to go though. Working conditions could be extremely demanding and dangerous. The knives the workers used were slippery, and if their hand got cut, they were at risk of a very serious infection. One man was at home for 7 months after cutting his hand and getting an infection. Although it is a huge risk, the beef-boners are willing to take it in attempt to make a better life for themselves and their families in America. They came to America to live the American Dream.
I really liked how you were able to connect it to more than one HOHAM and show the different themes going on in the book. Also, I really liked how to portrayed the American Dream towards the end.
Your discussion of these beef-boners is an excellent summary of the dilemma presented to the regular factory workers. I drew comparisons from it to Australian rock miners, as their work site fatality rate is one in eleven people dying due to assorted hazards. However, they are paid over 250 grand annually due to the danger of the job. I think that shows how this quandary of "better hob, higher risk" is still prevalent in modern day.
Great point. It completely relates to ignorance on many levels, because anyone can look at how much a person makes and say "Oh, you're lucky, you make so much money", but they will take it no further. Just because they made a certain amount in money does not show how much they paid for it.
"What made all this the more painful was that it was so hard on the few that had really done their best"
This is a quote in which I feel that everybody can connect to at some point. Throughout the wedding when contributions are needed in order to pay for the ceremony, many guests leave without contribution. The guests who were struggling financially more than others, were the ones who contributed most. I found this quote interesting because it showed that although some people may not be able to even support themselves, they'll go out of their way to help others. In our modern day society, money is very important, and although people have an abundance of it, they don't stop to think about how it will help people who are in need of it, they just get caught up with their selfish needs.
I believe that people in that era became self centered not because they enjoyed to have money but because it was the only way to stay alive. It was a survival of the fittest trying to keep your employment, rent and supporting your immediate family that you could not risk spending money on something that was not a necessity.
I thought the connection you made was very relevant, especially to times now. I think that those that struggled financially contributed the most because they knew of the struggle. I also agree that some people are still compassionate even if they are struggling themselves because they've been there.
I think that the point you brought up can be very relevant to our society today, because people tend to cling to whatever money they have and only donate what they feel they are required to. I think that what you said about the people who are the poorest ended up giving the most money was interesting as well, because it just shows how much more selfless the people who are in the deepest need are, while the people who were better off were significantly more selfish, despite having much more to give.
I found it interesting how you connected the book to modern day society.You say that selfishness is a problem in our society, would you atribute that to capitalism?
“Little one," he said, in a low voice, "do not worry—it will not matter to us. We will pay them all somehow. I will work harder."
Self Advocacy: This quote shows how much Jurgis will continue to work harder to be able to pay rent, due to the fact that it was at a high price that is not affordable. The way he explained that he will work harder shows that he is looking and pushing himself to a new challenge to be able to be able to find a way to pay the rent.
You have a great analysis of the mentality behind Jurgis but I think this goes past Jurgis. Almost all immigrants came to work hard and hoping to create a life for themselves. They were not going to give up so easily on their dreams.
Intellectual Curiosity: I think that Jurgis exemplifies intellectual curiosity when dealing with various pitfalls of the American society. He has heard of its traps, but it doesn't deter him from exploring what America can offer. In a world where mostly everything is not in his native tongue, but in a language he speaks little of, he has to think very critically when it comes to legal matters, such as buying their house, and even asking copious amounts of questions to lawyers about these things. A small miss step can cost them in this new world yet he still strives to embody hope for his family as he says 'I will work harder'. In these words he endeavors to work for the ideal that in America, if you work hard, you can make something. Despite the horribly frightening prices of everything he is always trying to seek a solution.
You cover a large quantity of content within this paragraph while still remaining concise, which is excellent. However, I do have a question: how would you say that Jurgis is trying to be intellectually curious for finding solutions to his family's problems if he is described earlier as simply deluding himself into believing that America still is a land of hope? It seems that he is still clinging desperately onto the idea of the American dream and thinks that working harder is a surefire way to earn money.
"Jurgis and Ona were not thinking of the sunset, however--their backs were turned to it, and all their thoughts were of Packingtown, which they could see so plainly in the distance."
I choose to examine this quote through perspective. Jurgis and Ona had just arrived a their new home in America and off in the distance can be seen the industrial town of Packington where they will eventually try to work at. They might feel intimidated by this new life but I believe in their minds their overall emotion is hope, hope that they can make something out of the very little opportunities they are given.
And excellent observation.
Immigrants don't have time for something so whimsical and economically unsustainable as sunsets! There is work to be done in Packington, work brings money and money means you can feed your family for another day. Intimidated doesn't begin to cover it. From this moment on, their entire lives will be a struggle to survive until the corrupt system finally burns them out and replaces them with a new batch of immigrants. In this face of such horror and adversary, who has time for a sunset?
I think this is also a symbol for how they are about to live their "new" lives in the US. They are ignoring the sun, and looking towards Packingtown, as if dismissing nature for an industrial sustenance.
Perspective: I choose to do perspective, because I would have to say the main perspective is the lifestyle. I would have to say that this book shows you how different things are for workers, as to compared to the bosses. As for the workers would do so much work and get underpaid for the "sweatshop work" they're doing.
“A little way beyond was another great hole, which they had emptied and not yet filled up. This held water, and all summer it stood there, with the near-by soil draining into it, festering and stewing in the sun; and then, when winter came, somebody cut the ice on it, and sold it to the people of the city. This, too, seemed to the newcomers an economical arrangement; for they did not read the newspapers, and their heads were not full of troublesome thoughts about 'germs.'”
Perspective: I think I should start off by saying that the prospect of this having happened in the past makes my skin crawl a little bit. I was raised in a very clean environment, and to me that passage is the equivalent of doing up to a festering, rotting puddle of brown water at the edge of a ditch, grabbing a cup, and saying “Look at this delicious drink!” That's the interesting thing about perspective, though. To us today, someone selling rancid festering ice to people wouldn't make a cent, and could even get arrested or charged for trying to poison people. But back then, when the concept of germs was unfamiliar to the lower-classes who did not have access to reading newspapers that tell of current ideas, a man selling ice from an unknown origin would seem like a good resource. The lower classes didn't worry about things like germs because the topic was unfamiliar and not widely distributed among people who couldn't buy a newspaper. This ,is the exact opposite today, where children are taught to avoid germs through school or even television. In our modern age, technology allows information to spread infinitely fast, while during the Industrial Revolution, where the fastest means of spreading information was word of mouth and the newspapers, the idea of germs could go unnoticed or unaccepted for far longer.
I competely agree, and reacted the same way to this passage, but more so to the one just before it, where it was talking about the trash-filled hole, where the children were raking it. It disgusted me, that they thought that this was efficient, with no unhealthy consequences. It really does show how far we've come in only a little over a hundred years
I think you are completely right that perspective has changed over time. The current view of germs and what was hygienic and what wasn't is completely different that what we think now. Great job reflecting on this!
This whole section just got to me. It was horrifying to think that was if not acceptable, normal, within this society and that sends chills down my spine to think of where I would be in that kind of society at the time. (Did that make as much sense as it did in my head)
You bring up an interesting point, saying that someone trying to sell something below the standard wouldn't make a cent. I would like to hear your opinion on fast food restaurants who, despite evidence and claims of filthy conditions, still make billions of dollars a year.
Evidence: The book the jungle starts off with a celebration party after Ona Lukoszaite and Jurgis Rudkus. Many guests take advantage of them and leave without contributing to the food and drinks they ate or drank. After this, they notice how much money they were losing. Jurgis volunteers to get all of the money back, and decides to go and work. This is evidence to how bad the job market was back then. People were so poor, that money had a higher value back then. They may have had to cheat them out to help their families, and it’s unfair for them to do that, but it’s something that had to be done. It’s kinda sad that people were willing to do this though, and really disappointing that it came to that point, where money was worth more than friendship and family, and helping people out.
I agree with you Lance, people back then seem like some people now. It's sad seeing friendships disappear for stupid reasons. I think it's good that Jurgis wanted to help get money, that's a true friend.
Perspective: There were so many different perspectives in this books. The immigrants, the rich, the poor, and the workers. It was very interesting how the immigrants acted (at least i thought) towards each other, and the wedding thing was so different than what you would see today. Also, when I read about the workers and the conditions they were put in I was surprised a bit- I knew the conditions were bad but not that bad. The point of view for the workers is that they are getting paid and they are happy they will be able to put dinner on the table, even though it is sketchy. “It was one of the laws of the veselija that no one goes hungry” I liked this quote because it shows their caring roots.
What did you expect the conditions at the packing facilities to be like? I know many people were surprised about the cruelties and grimy conditions at the packing facilities but I would be interested to know what your preconceived ideas of the conditions were.
"It is plain," they would answer to this, "that you have come from the country, and from very far in the country."
Perspective: This quote really showed me the differing perspectives of some of the people in this book. Jurgis claims that he won't starve because he is big and strong, and therefore he will always have work. The people who already live in the city think that this is foolish, because they've probably seen men like Jurgis come and go with the same mindset. Because they have varying levels of experience in the stockyards, they see things differently. They both think each other foolish for doubting their own claims, Jurgis doubting he will break down like the others, and the men doubting he won't. I think it is a very clear picture of the separation of ignorance and experience
I think you did a great job of reflecting on their differing perspectives, I especially like the line you used "I think it is a very clear picture of separation of ignorance and experience." I think that very clearly states the point you were trying to make about their differences in perspective.
Not only is this a great perspective POV but it could also be an excellent example of Self-Advocacy. And you're correct with the perspective parts. There are many different characters to look through the eyes of (at least in my opinion). And analyzing the perspective of the characters as well as the educated guesses you had were really interesting to read through, as I was able to see your perspective of their perspectives and not only my own.
I really like how in depth you go on Jurgises perspective and that you added in what others opinions are on the way he acts.
"t employed thirty thousand men; it supported directly two hundred and fifty thousand people in its neighborhood, and indirectly it supported half a million. It sent its products to every country in the civilized world, and it furnished the food for no less than thirty million people!"
Perspective: They were saying that this slaughter house was something spectacular, but I really feel like its the way you look at it. It had a disgusting stench as you walked through, they were reusing spoiled meat, and workers were being paid low amounts. None of those are spectacular qualities. They did talk about, though, how they made everything for the factory themselves. It really does depend on which perspective you look at, whether it was a great place, providing jobs and supporting people, or a disgusting one, filled with rotten stenches, spoiled meat, and hard work.
Yes, it does matter the way you look at it. Did they treat the workers horribly? Yes. Did they sell quality produce? No. Did they make a living off the murder and exploitation of thousands of cute farm animals? Most definitely.
But look beyond the glaring humanitarian concerns for a second. This slaughterhouse was a marvel of human cruelty and engineering. This thing feed 30 MILLION people. And though it may not have been anywhere near sustainable, it probably made a hue profit at the time. Slaughterhouses like this were the reason so many people were immigrating to the United States, they needed work and the economy was booming. Slaughterhouses like this gave us the economic boost we needed to become a real world power, to drag us out of the post-civil war era failed reconstruction and gave us the money to help fight in WWI. It was the right boost of money at exactly the right time that catapulted the United States into being one of the world's leading economic and military powers. So, kick back, be thankful for our privileged lifestyle, and be glad you weren't one of the Slaughterhouse workers that helped you get there.
I absolutely understand what you are saying and you are completely correct. However, if we think of it only from the perspective of an immigrant in need of work, the slaughter house IS in fact something spectacular. It may not be sanitary, it may not pay well, but it is employment, and it keeps the families of 50,000 people supported.
Perspective: While reading these chapters, I've come to learn about the couple's troubles they had to endure, whether it was their customers refusing to pay their bills or being mistreated because they were outsiders. While I haven't experienced something such as what the couple went through, I can image being in their perspective of things. Moving to a new land to find a new home with my lover, so far all we have is each other and hoping for the best.
Hearing about the "American Dream" or "The Land of the Free" make us determined to find a place to be accepted. But yet it's the two of us against the world now. No one seems to accept us, but isn't this the land of freedom? Why aren't they paying their bills we left out for them when we decided to work to make money? Don't they understand we need to eat too? That we're in debt? Weren't they once in our shoes? I'm crying as my husband holds me to say everything will be alright...but I know that's not true. What are our choices now? Going back to our former homeland we escaped from or stay here to endure the rejection...?
But...we were promised with hard work, we'd be rewarded! Why us? Is it because of where we came from? But now I'm somewhere else, my husband got a job! We can eat! We can finally live! Our tears are streaming down our faces in nothing but happiness. Wait...but what if the job he works at requires us to speak languages we don't know of? What if my husband loses his job because of that? Or worse...he'll be forced to work with no pay. What will happen then? What's even happening now...?
At least this is what's I'm feeling by attempting to look through their eyes. Any comments though?
"Of these older people many wear clothing reminiscent in some detail of home--an embroidered waistcoat or stomacher, or a gaily colored handkerchief, or a coat with large cuffs and fancy buttons. All these things are carefully avoided by the young, most of whom have learned to speak English and to affect the latest style of clothing."
Supposition: I think that this quote beautifully illustrates the cultural divide, the rift, that is already opening up between the older immigrants and their children, raised, if not born in the United States. You see the older generation doing their best to hold onto their culture, their identity, their last little pieces of home. It's what defines them in this harsh new world, without that, they will lose themselves. However, their children, those who have never know their country of origin, have been successfully 'Americanized', they've altered themselves to meld into this new system, this alien world. Instead of trying to hold on to the history of their home, they actively embrace the 'american culture'. There is an aversion, an almost shame of being connected to their old world roots, anything that would tie them to the idea of being an immigrant, anything that would stand in the way of their integration. Imagine if things had ben different. Imagine if instead of pushing away their heritage, the young at the time had embraced it, used that instead of the corrupt American system to identify themselves. I believe that if this fierce pride had been maintained, if the racial prejudice they faced had been lessened or at least directed elsewhere, then we would be living in a much different world than the one we inhabit today. Instead of defining ourselves as American, because that is our country of origin, we would be able to look back farther to our ancestors, and take pride in our ancestors. While I think that this would improve the condition of those in those positions, and strengthen their sense of personal identity, our country as a whole would suffer, from the factions and idealogical rifts that would open up between the different groups of immigrants. The idea of a melting pot would have disintegrated completely, as would the idea of being 'American', not to mention the economic blow it would have inflicted. Still, it's a fascinating thing to look at.
I really appreciate that you chose this quote, it also stuck out to me. Not only do I think it is about the "Americanization" of the new generation, but also one of the links morphing society into what is seen as modern lifestyle.
I agree with you that attaching oneself closer to their respective cultural roots is wholesome, but I am split by the idea that it would only inflame current racial tensions, as you already stated. It is interesting how some people testify to the idea that "they were born in America, they are Americans", yet others believe, rather, in the labeling of their ancestors origins. Sometimes, from what I have experienced, people will teeter between these ideas, choosing what ever one suites them at that moment. I find this irrational and unethical, yet because of it's sensitive subject matter, no one seems to question it.
I also noticed this separation between the young and old immigrants, and it made me question if being more well-connected with American culture gave these people more access to jobs, or some kind of advantage over their older counterparts. To be sure, hanging around Americans and taking on their "fashion" must have had some kind of effect on their English skills. I remember a certain place in this book where Jurgis was tricked out of his house by signing an agreement which he couldn't read or understand.
"Leave it to me; leave it to me. I will earn more money--I will work harder."- chapter 1
Jurgis and their relatives travelled to America with a perspective that it would be a place for new beginings and great fortune. But once they arrived most of their money had already been lost. But even though everything didn't go as planned I feel they still looked on the positive side of things. Jurgis says how he will go and get a job, and not to worry about the wedding cost. They will just work extra and make more money. They are both full of hope and looking at America with a positive perspective.
When I read that quote I immediately thought of Boxer from Animal Farm, always saying "I will work harder" or the like. he was also always full of hope and believed unfailingly in the idea of this new world.
I also thought of Boxer's hope from Animal Farm. I hope Jurgis doesn't get worn down and beat in the system. I don't want him to die like Boxer did.
I completely agree with you. I am so surprised that he is so positive. I am glad that he is trying to make Ona happy with the working harder for money. He seems like a great fellow who will make it in this change from where he came to Chicago.
I think that perspective was a great choice for a habit of mind. I can see how the perspective they initially had when they wanted to travel to America could change once they got there and realized what it would be like.
Compassion; The first habit I thought of while reading the first two chapters of The Jungle was compassion. During this time of celebration, I noticed that all of the immigrants were connected by a unified feeling of happiness that they had towards the bride and groom. People participated in the activities willingly, and congratulated the bride and groom on multiple occasions. The part that stuck out to me the most was when all of the guests linked hands and listened to the musicians play, and even though they played poorly, the quest enjoyed the music thoroughly and had a good time. They seemed to care less about the everyday struggles they were faced with, and more about celebrating the marriage of two young people.
I noticed the same things you did Max. I feel that often times in modern society we get to caught up in are own problems and take out our emotions out on other people. In the book people completely forgot about their problems and enjoyed the time they could with family and friends.
I notice this as well, as going on what trevin said. Sometimes we take things for granite nowadays, the people join hands in a community of not the matter of perfection but a matter of family and a strong community
"Jurgis was like a boy, a boy from the country. He was the sort of man the bosses like to get hold of, the sort they make it a grievance they cannot get hold of. When he was told to go to a certain place, he would go there on the run. When he had nothing to do for the moment, he would stand round fidgeting, dancing, with the overflow of energy that was in him."
Since I can easily relate to Jurgis, I decided to do connection from habits of the heart and mind. Jurgis was the type of kid that couldn't stop moving, and had plenty of energy to get things done. When I read this quote, I feel like the Author is describing me in a way that I've never noticed. As a child, I was always running around the house looking for something to do, and when my parents had a task for me, I was into doing it. Jurgis and I both have a similar life style.
I meant to put air quotes over "kid" in the second sentence.
"It is very imprudent, it is tragic—but, ah, it is so beauti- ful! Bit by bit these poor people have given up every- thing else; but to this they cling with all the power of their souls—they cannot give up the veselija! To do that would mean, not merely to be defeated, but to acknowl- edge defeat—and the difference between these two things is what keeps the world going. The veselija has come down to them from a far-off time; and the meaning of it was that one might dwell within the cave and gaze upon shad- ows, provided only that once in his lifetime he could break his chains, and feel his wings, and behold the sun; pro- vided that once in his lifetime he might testify to the fact that life, with all its cares and its terrors, is no such great thing after all, but merely a bubble upon the surface of a river, a thing that one may toss about and play with as a juggler tosses his golden balls, a thing that one may quaff, like a goblet of rare red wine. Thus having known him- self for the master of things, a man could go back to his toil and live upon the memory all his days." (Pg. 11, in my version)
I apologize for posting such a long quote; it's difficult to encompass the message with any fewer text.
This quote stuck out to me more than any other quote in the entire two chapters. As soon as I read it, I felt a deep connection that gave a chill down my spine. It reminds me of the constant battle between life's seriousness and carelessness.
The veselija is the one time in these peoples lives when they get to glutinously spend money, and completely forget about responsibility. The time in which they lived was one of labor: you had to work harder and longer, as well as deal with bygone struggles that we no longer deal with. Every once in a while, humans need to "let go", or else they'll be driven mad.
It amazes me still how the people of this time remain toiling day in and day out to achieve such meager privileges. It humbles my complaints of my own lifestyle- in which I detest the amount of work I put myself through- by contrasting my routine with those of this time. I constantly yearn for more freedom, the embodiment of veselija, yet the characters in the book seem contented with celebrating it once in a lifetime, and dwelling on the memories of it rather than striving to experience it another time.
Connection: When Jurgis arrives in America he describes the poor conditions of America. He talks about the Dirty, Grimy streets the huge billows of smoke that fill the air from the factories. Jurgis has these high hopes of coming to America and obtaining a good a job and has many expectations. However, many of his dreams/expectations were crushed. I have been able to connect to Jurgis's situation. I have been in many scenarios where I had certain expectations and dreams that were ruined leaving me very sad/disappointed.
I have the same connections you do to Jurgis at times. The feeling of being let down for something you were so hopeful for. Sometimes, however, these scenarios of being let-down can be improved upon throughout time. Do you believe that his conditions will improve? Has there ever been a time where your condition has improved from what it once was to what it is now?
I get where your coming from. Jurgis has it pretty rough if you ask me. Not only is he working in America to get himself in a better direction, but thats not even where his work started. After his Father died in Lithuania, He had to work in his home country to get to America.
I agree, being sad and disappointed doesn't feel to good. I think that no matter what you or someone tries to do, there will always be a letdown. Hopefully Jurgis finds good out of bad.
Perspective: I notice that Ona Lukoszaite and Jurgis Rudkus are very positive people. I notice that they are very thankfull while the bad music is playing the dance along in harmony with everyone. People were stealing drinks that they could not afford but Jurgis makes sure Ona keeps her head up and reassures her that they will soon pay off the bulls and they will continue with their happiness!
"...Marija was too eager to see that others conformed to the proprieties to consider them herself."
I thought this quote represented perspective because although Marija has a strong belief about how other people should behave in that situation, her perspective seems to differ regarding herself. This may not be a conscious choice to change the social norms for her, but she definitely does it. I think a lot of people do the same thing, for example, some people are heartlessly honest but when others are that honest with them, they feel hurt. They may even think that what that person did was unacceptable and cruel. It is perfectly natural to do this. Some, although not all, people put themselves into a different category than other people, especially if you and those people are from different cultures or have different beliefs. Of course, some do this more than others which can lead to racism.
Perspective: I really feel that Jurgis has Rudkus has a great attitude. He is very optimistic and promises Ona a lot. It is fantastic to see that he doesn't give up from all the events that have happened (moving, job, apartment).
“It might have come from the center of the world, this smoke, where the fires of the ages still smolder.”
Now with this the immediate connection I made was to our modern society and how we have giant smoking beasts spread across the lands with fires in their bellies and pollution pouring from their gaping maws. Wow I got rather poetic there but it's true, our world now and then is cover in these giant smoking buildings and I suppose the quote could be interpreted as say that they are eternal and since they have always been here they will always be here.
I connected chapters 1 & 2 of The Jungle to the HOHAM integrity. I mostly felt this way in chapter one because of the background of the ceremony and what it entailed. People paid a small share when they were done and even though many did slip away and it sort of ended up going down hill from there, there were the many who were ethical and responsible.
Do you think it would be unethical for a person to not give any money to the bride and groom if they couldn't afford it? Many people who worked in the meat-packing industry were rather poor and likely barely had the funds to survive, much less give away as a wedding gift.
I felt as if I had gained a new perspective while reading the third chapter of The Jungle. Hearing of the mass handling and transportation of livestock gave off the impression that the animals were not treated as living creatures, rather inanimate objects with only a money value. It was quite alarming and saddening to realize that the animals were "unsuspicious" of their fate up until they were slaughtered and packed for the prosperity of a few men.
I always hear that free-range and organically raised livestock is the moral way to eat, but it isn't until you see or read about traditional, cruel livestock raising that you truly understand the impact that better conditions can have.
Quote: "...it was quite uncanny to watch them, pressing on to their fate, all unsuspicious- a very river of death"
I understand how this may have changed your perspective, but do you still believe the same treatment on livestock back then is the same now? Treatment of livestock has most likely improved since the day this book was written, so do you think that they are still treated with cruelty or no?
The first chapter of The Jungle was evidence of the extravagant indulgence of people living in industrialized America. The great detail which Upton Sinclair uses to describe the eating and festivities at the wedding reception was, I believe, a metaphor for the overindulgence of people living in the United States. Throughout the festivities, anyone around could eat as much as they pleased, as if the supply of food was endless. However after the festivities had died down, everyone returned to their meager lives. While the working-people of Chicago might not have over-indulged on a regular basis, I believe they were used as a metaphor for the majority of people living in industrialized America. With food being produced at such large scales, the people of the United States could consume as much as they pleased, while unknowingly supporting a cruel, dirty market.
Quote: "...and if any of these onlookers came sufficiently close, or looked sufficiently hungry, a chair was offered him, and he was invited to the feast."
"Apparently nobody knows how to waltz, but that is nothing of any consequence -- there is music, and they dance, each as he pleases, just as before they sang."
Perspective: I chose to represent this quote from the book with perspective. Because Ona and Jurgis couldn't afford a full-blown orchestra, let alone a professional musician, they had to invite one of their old friends to play for them. The music he played for them at the wedding is satisfactory work, but the perspective of joy taken from the enlightened celebration created a larger aroma of happiness throughout. Those who attended the wedding may not have known how to dance, but they did what they could to make the best of their situation, which ranged from just "two-stepping" it, to creating their own dance out of nothing.
I also really liked this quote. It kind of gave the message to just enjoy life for what it is. Although they couldn't afford a full orchestra, they still made due with a friend playing music and had a great wedding.
"This is the fifth year, now, that Jadvyga has been engaged to Mikolas, and her heart is sick. They would have been married in the beginning, only Mikolas has a father who is drunk all day, and he is the only other man in a large family. Even so they might have managed it (for Mikolas is a skilled man) but for cruel accidents which have almost taken the heart out of them. He is a beef-boner, and that is a dangerous trade, especially when you are on piecework and trying to earn a bride."
To put it dramatically, this passage broke my heart a little bit. All Mikolas and Jadvyga wanted to do was get married and make enough to scrape by. Their current jobs were not only dangerous and low paying; they were pretty much guaranteed to never be promoted or get a better job.
I connected the HOHAM supposition to this passage because I compared the current fates of Mikolas and Jadvyga with Jurgis and Ona. I thought to compare Mikolas and Jurgis because they are both strong capable men who are very in love with their girls. Mikolas had a tragic accident as a beef-boner which inhibited his ability to make money. Jurgis optimistically relies on his physicality for income and takes pride and security in that. He provides for and protects Ona with his strength. If Jurgis ever has a similarly tragic accident, then both couples will be equally doomed in the rough world of the Chicago stockyards.
I also thought this passage was sad, that this man had to take on the role of his father so often that he couldn't live his life was pretty depressing. I wondered if Mikolas was symbolic of what Jurgis' new relationship would become, so burdened with work that he wouldn't be able to spend much time with his bride.
“‘Little one,’ he said, in a low voice, ‘do not worry—it will not matter to us. We will pay them all somehow. I will work harder.’ That was always what Jurgis said. Ona had grown used to it as the solution of all difficulties—’I will work harder!’ He had said that in Lithuania when one official had taken his passport from him, and another had arrested him for being without it, and the two had divided a third of his belongings. He had said it again in New York, when the smooth-spoken agent had taken them in hand and made them pay such high prices, and almost prevented their leaving his place, in spite of their paying,” (Sinclair 20). I connected this quote to the integrity Habit of Heart because Jurgis, this man who had come to America with a third of this things stolen from him by a Lithuanian official, who had created a bill for himself that most people in America at this time wouldn’t even dream of being able to pay for (at the wedding celebration), had promised his bride that he would work harder, and that she should take a day off work. Even if it were to hurt him, Jurgis kept working harder, and I think that this shows an immense amount of integrity. I also connected Jurgis saying that he will work harder to Boxer from Animal Farm, the horse that represented the working class, and it made me wonder if Upton Sinclair liked Animal Farm, or supported its ideas.
" And this is their utterance; merry and boisterous, or mournful and wailing, or passionate and rebellious, this music is their music, music of home. " I chose perspective, many of these people at this " veselija " see each other in many grateful ways even though some of them don't have much. What they are doing for their families is pretty cool given the fact that they haven't been America for to long. From can factories to cotton mills, they are all putting themselves in these tough working conditions regardless of age and position. It was striking when Tamoszius's music made them dance and cheer because it was cool to see them listen to something that I feel brought them together in a way. This music is their tradition and their tradition is their past.
This is interesting how you brought up when the music was playing it brought them together and reminded them of their past and homeland.
I feel this passage in the book shows connection between the people, but also shows the generational divide between them aswell.
I chose connection, because almost everybody has to deal with a money situation sometime in there life. Often times people think there isn't a money problem when really they just don't want to admit it. A lot of the times we just hide from it. I feel like I connected with that because it relates to life in the real world.
I like what you said Paris about when they move. If your moving somewhere different and you are promised something and when you get there its completely different, what's going to happen from there? Its almost just a waste.
Compassion: I chose the habit of heart compassion to go along with the speech that Jurgis’s father gave. When he started to give his speech people were not listening because this speech is usually "taken out of one of the books and learned by heart". Once everyone knew he was using an original speech people stopped what they were doing and listened. Jurgis’s father expresses how he is not going to be with his children that much longer. People show compassion for him by listening and crying when he is talking about passing away.
“... it seemed a dream of wonder, with its talc of human energy, of things being done, of employment for thousands upon thousands of men, of opportunity and freedom, of life and love and joy.”
This quote represents Jurgis’ unlimited potential, or at least his supposition for unlimited potential.Despite literally living on a pile of garbage, he still views America as the land of dreams.The smells and sounds of slaughtered animals fill his surroundings, and he is only able to take note of the city’s ingenuity. Jurgis stands as a testament to the “everyday working man” and the belief that with hard work one can acquire wealth and happiness.Considering, Sinclair’s intent to promote Communism, I suspect Jurgis’ high hopes for America will be soon dissipated and Jurgis’ generally likeable character will shift as he realizes the truth of his position.
Your quote choice and your interpretation of the quote are really thought provoking. I wonder, now, what this says about his character, and also, why Jurgis sees America for only its benefits.
Jokubas, "promises them that hard work and commitment to social values will win them success." This quote can mean a lot. I connected this quote with supposition because this quote itself can change the way someone works and commits to social values. I think that later in the book this quote will be said again because Jurgis’s already said he would work harder to change the way he works.
Habit of mind: Underestimation "Leave it to me; leave it to me. I will earn more money--I will work harder." I found this quote interesting because it reminds me of some of the things I try to to saying it will get done don't worry it will get don't or I'll work harder next time.It feels like to me this guy is just gona get in over his head at this rate. For the world we live in is just a jungle and it gets stranger the deeper you travel into it.
"There was no time during the festivities which ensued when there were not groups of onlookers in the doorways and the corners; and if any one of these onlookers came sufficiently close, or looked sufficiently hungry, a chair was offered him, and he was invited to the feast." Chapter 1
Supposition: I think that this shows how, even though it cost so much money for the ceremony and some may leave without helping to pay for it. The family realizes how the situation could be for others and how they may not be fortunate enough to have food to eat. In other circumstances it might be they who are hungry and it need of food. Therefore they welcome anyone to feast with them if they come close enough, because it was a law of the tradition that nobody shall be hungry. Although the law was made in the jungle and it was more difficult to apply there in Chicago they did there best to feed anyone who was hungry.
"It grew darker all the time, and upon the earth the grass seemed to grow less green. Every minute, as the train sped on, the colors of things became dingier; the fields were grown parched and yellow, the landscape hideous and bare."
I think that this quote shows significance. The characters in the story came to America to create better lives for themselves. They had the common, skewed mentality that by coming to America, they would be better off, specifically financially. However as they begin to settle in the new Country, they realize that it isn't as perfect as they imagined. This quote is meant to represent that. We see the colors in the landscape become less vivid, and the fields less green. It puts into the mind of the reader the perfect image of America, becoming less, and less perfect.
i like how you made to connection with you quote. i think you choose a good quote because it really summarizes what happens.
my quote was "Jurgis said. Ona had grown used to it as the solution of all difficulties—’I will work harder!" pg 20. Americas at this time wouldn’t be able to pay for wedding, but he promised his bride that he worked so hard to come up with the money. I choose this quote because this man (Jurgis) who came to America most of his things stolen. This just show how much he do and if he wants to accomplish something, he will. He wasn't willing to give up, he came to america to start a new and better life for him and his family.
The last two days they had all but starved
themselves—it made them quite sick to pay the prices
that the railroad people asked them for food.
I picked this quote because it puts shows worker's perspective during the time the railroads were being built. They were being cheated out of their wages that they were working 14 hrs to earn! The prices were high and their pay was really low. The Businessmen running the companies knew perfectly well that what they were doing was hurting the workers but they continued to do it anyways.
The immigrants in the story will be shocked to see that America is NOT the land of countless opportunities.
Qoute: "'I will work harder!' That was always.. the solution of all difficulties."
HOHAM: Self Advocacy
Self Advocacy is working for what you want to achieve on your own, advocating for yourself. In 'The Jungle' Ona is used to Jurgis responding to a monetary issue with "I will work harder!". She expects Jurgis to advocate for her (Ona). When Ona wanted something instead of working for her own money she put more stress upon Jurgis to work harder and longer for more money. Ona did not display self advocacy.
Perspective: I found perspective within these chapters, because even though Jurgis can't see that the capitalist United States are corrupt and that the only way to get anywhere near the top is to get tangled up within that web of corruption. He truly believes that him and his family will lead a good life and be happy there
For obviously it is the same thing, whether you spend it at once on your own wedding, or in a long time, at the weddings of all of your friends
Perspective: This shows that, no matter how you spend this money personally, It does not make a difference, and that you are wasting it all regardless. If you spend a dollar a day for yourself for a year, or buy something for 365 dollars in a day, it is still the same thing, and there is no difference between the two
HOHAM reflection 1
Quote: "The two families literally fell upon each other's necks--for it had been years since Jokubas Szedvilas had met a man from his part of Lithuania. Before half the day they were lifelong friends." Ch 2
HOHAMs used: Connection, supposition, unlimited potential
Comments: In this quote, I quickly connected. Personally, I have had instances where you connect with someone instantly, and become great friends. And, I also know the neck-hugging. When family goes away, ad they are absent from your life for a while, you miss them. Then when you reunite (like I will when I see my sister) it is instantaneous that you hug and tear up, and show PDA. I also found Unlimited potentials. When friendships are formed, there is so much you can do with each other. There are so many paths you can take, so many different roads and choices to be made. That is also where supposition falls into place. The futures possibilityies when it comes to friendships is endless.
Perspective. Ona & Jurgis just moved in but they are both in two different positions. Ona has a positive perspective because she is very excited about the new house even though there isn't to much inside of it. On the other hand, Jurgis is in a confused state because he is curious as to why everyone hates the position they are in in regards to their jobs and such. Either Jurgis is turned off by this environment or this shows him that he isn't the only one working as hard as he is.
Jokubas, promises them that hard work and commitment to social values will win them success. I put connections because im the time of person who would believe a person and do anything but in the end its a lie.
Chpt 1 & 2:
Quote: " She had left the church flung up the window of the carriage.. the music had started up.."
Intellectual Curiosity: Was this a wedding they were talking about? Was it a friends or a family members or even the main characters wedding day? I'm kind of confuse with that one. I'm pretty sure that they are talking about a wedding but I'm kind of confused on who's wedding it was.
Quote: "....he would stand around fidgeting, dancing with the over flow of energy"
Response: Connection: When I have nothing else to do in my day, whether I'm at home or where ever, I just dance for fun or it just happened with out thinking of dancing. This quote just really caught my attention because it remind me of myself.
"Jurgis was like a boy, a boy from the country. He was the sort of man the bosses like to get hold of, the sort they make it a grievance they cannot get hold of. When he was told to go to a certain place, he would go there on the run. When he had nothing to do for the moment, he would stand round fidgeting, dancing, with the overflow of energy that was in him. If he were working in a line of men, the line always moved too slowly for him, and you could pick him out by his impatience and restlessness" - Chapter 2
Here we see Jurgis's unlimited potential. This quote, an through out the chapter we learn more about Jurgis and see some of his better qualties. For him to realize that he always has to be moving or doing things, shows us as readers that we will most likely do something in this book: thus showing unlimited potential.
Write something about yourself. No need to be fancy, just an overview.