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Paris Gramann
10/28/2013 09:47:02 am
“He did not go very far round the corner he gave out completely, and sat down on the steps of a saloon, and hid his face in his hands, and shook all over with dry, racking sobs.” Ch. 8
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Paris
10/28/2013 09:47:37 am
*Ch. 18
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Ysabella Dawson
10/28/2013 10:16:33 am
I think this is a very good point you bring up. The people who migrated to America in search of the "American Dream", but slowly that dream gets replaced with need for making money.
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Brianna Barboza
10/28/2013 11:15:42 am
You expanded out of Jurgis's point of view and onto the others in the story. You also make an excellent point on the events that are happening in the story and how it relates to the real world (ex: "You do not get nothing. You get people who give up...").
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Lance Shuler
10/28/2013 12:10:21 pm
This is a really good journal and you connect to selv advocacy really well!
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Gage Gamboa
10/28/2013 12:35:34 pm
Great post, Paris! Your observations about company's focus of quantity over quality were very observant and can (unfortunately) be applied to many areas of business today.
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Sophia C.
10/28/2013 12:42:19 pm
I completely agree with what you are saying, Jurgis is definitely at rock bottom and the thing that is keeping him going is sort a routine, allowing him to get through the day.
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Salina
10/28/2013 12:50:00 pm
Wow Paris this is great I really like the way you wrote about perspective.
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Julz Valencia
10/28/2013 01:47:26 pm
This is a great post:) The phrase you used "...quantitiy, not quality." I think really represents what is happening in the story and what the company wants and how the workers are working.
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Meilani
10/28/2013 02:02:41 pm
Great post, I like how you connect to a previous statement you've made and completely agree with you.
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10/28/2013 03:49:04 pm
I love how you brought this point up. God job. I like the "quantity not quality "
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Ysabella Dawson
10/28/2013 10:13:32 am
“They strolled here and there about the courtyard, and Jurgis listened to them. He was ignorant and they were wise; they had been everywhere and tried everything. They could tell the whole hateful story of it, set forth the inner soul in a city in which justice and honor, women's bodies and men's souls, were for sale in the market-place, and human beings writhed and fought and fell upon each other like wolves in a pit; in which lusts were raging fires, and men were fuel, and humanity was festering and stewing and wallowing in its own corruption... They were swindlers and thieves of pennies and dimes, and they had been trapped and put out of the way by the swindlers and thieves of millions of dollars.”
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Brianna Barboza
10/28/2013 11:19:10 am
I agree with your analysis on Jurgis's character development. And what you said about criminals and personal justice is completely true as well! What something evil could be to one person, could be great to another.
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Paris Gramann
10/28/2013 11:30:03 am
Wow, Bell! Beautiful thoughts. It makes me think about what Mrs. Clark was talking about in a lecture a few weeks ago. Our class talked about how the leaders and politicians got to where they were because of the money and opportunities it brought them. It is unfortunate to think that those people in the book who are in power don't neccessarily have the best intentions. And those that have the smartest and kindest ideas have no real way of getting themselves heard and they can't make a huge difference -- like Jurgis.
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Gage Gamboa
10/28/2013 12:39:49 pm
Excellent post, Bella! You made wonderful observations on the important role of integrity that is present throughout the novel. I enjoyed your note on how the prison is being used to house those whose crimes were relatively petty to those who are the corrupt figureheads of the industrial corporations.
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Sophia C.
10/28/2013 12:45:23 pm
I really love the quote you chose, it's very powerful in its descriptions and the intense feelings it provokes. I also agree with your assessment of the way the society worked and the way Jurgis felt about it.
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Meranda Knowles
10/28/2013 01:53:37 pm
I think you had a great reflection on what was going on in the book, and just how terrible the corruption has become. Thats what really strikes me the most about this book, just how morally wrong most of the population is.
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Meilani
10/28/2013 02:04:55 pm
When I was reading this paragraph, these thought had never passed my mind and you make some really interesting points. I love how you say that Jurgis was following his own justice when attacking Connor.
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Brianna Barboza
10/28/2013 11:10:02 am
"He subsided, but he never took his eyes off his enemy. The fellow was still alive, which was a disappointment, in one way; and yet it was pleasant to see him, all in penitential plasters. He and the company lawyer, who was with him, came and took seats within the judge's railing; and a minute later the clerk called Jurgis' name, and the policeman jerked him to his feet and led him before the bar, gripping him tightly by the arm, lest he should spring upon the boss." - Chapter 14, page 4
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Paris Gramann
10/28/2013 11:35:57 am
Brianna, I think it is great that you asked all of the questions. It shows where Jurgis is coming from. But also, it makes the reader think about more perspectives for themselves. Also very neat how you summarized, yet put your analysis in at the same time. Well done :)
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Rachel Deaton
10/28/2013 03:46:06 pm
Great post! I agree with Paris on asking a whole bunch of questions. It can open up your mind more about the book and find an even deeper meaning!
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Ysabella Dawson
10/28/2013 04:01:51 pm
I think it is very descriptive and cool how you added many questions. it really shows how you feel about the book and what things you notice going on.
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Jessica Pollock
10/28/2013 05:55:36 pm
I think it is great how you have so many open ended questions. They all really get me thinking.
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Tyler Felix
10/28/2013 12:02:03 pm
"It was all--it was their plot--Miss Henderson's plot. She hated me. And he--he wanted me. He used to speak to me--out on the platform. Then he began to--to make love to me. He offered me money. He begged me--he said he loved me. Then he threatened me. He knew all about us, he knew we would starve. He knew your boss--he knew Marija's. He would hound us to death, he said--then he said if I would--if I--we would all of us be sure of work--always. Then one day he caught hold of me--he would not let go--he--he--"
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Lance Shuler
10/28/2013 12:12:40 pm
I like how your journal reflects on Jurgis's life and connects with integrity but maybe try to relate to the quote a bit more?
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Lance Shuler
10/28/2013 12:06:09 pm
“I know not whether Laws be right, Or whether laws be wrong; All that we know who lie in gaol Is that the wall is strong . And they do well to hide their hell, For in it things are done That son of god nor son of Man Ever should look upon.”
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Gage Gamboa
10/28/2013 12:32:25 pm
“‘You would have done well to think about them before you committed the assault,’ said the judge, dryly, as he turned to look at the next prisoner.” Page 175 (Barnes & Noble Classics Edition), a bit over halfway through Chapter 17.
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Rachel Deaton
10/28/2013 03:47:48 pm
Impressive post Gage! You really explained the situation and your opinion of it. I wish he acted level-headed as well.
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Sophia C.
10/28/2013 12:35:11 pm
"...a duty which he performed faithfully, but which most of the prisoners were accustomed to shirk, until their cells became so filthy that the guards interposed."
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Salina
10/28/2013 12:47:38 pm
I really like how talked about what Jurgis did verse how you might have acted in the situation.
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Sarah
10/28/2013 02:24:36 pm
I thought self advocacy was a good HOHAM to choose because it so adequately sums up Jurgis' determination to survive. Nice reflection!
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Jessica Pollock
10/28/2013 05:57:38 pm
I like how you were so honest about what you would probably do in that situation.
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Salina
10/28/2013 12:46:08 pm
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Crystal
10/28/2013 01:24:37 pm
I really like the relation you added to the present day scenarios, it's true. Your quote related well to the overall feeling of the passages and also to your analysis.
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Julz Valencia
10/28/2013 01:52:06 pm
I like how you brought back that in the begging of the story he had integrity and you are connecting it to how Jurgis is now. Nice post:)
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Tess Herzog
10/28/2013 03:35:45 pm
It's a really great point you make about how in the beginning of the book he was really trying to do the right thing and now he is so helpless. There is almost nothing he can do anymore.
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Andrew Ledezma
10/28/2013 05:09:30 pm
I think that you chose a very meaningful quote that really shows the desperation of the family. This also shows Jurgis' unfailing integrity very nicely. Excellent work!
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Hayes Sherr
10/28/2013 07:00:33 pm
I really like how you related this to real-life. Jurgis was really filled with integrity based on the story. good job!
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Ryan Martinez
10/28/2013 12:57:23 pm
"They put him in a place where the snow could not beat in, where the cold could not eat through his bones; they brought him food and drink-why, in the name of heaven, if they must punish him, did they not put his family in jail and leave him outside-why could they find no better way to punish him than to leave three weak women and six helpless children to starve and freeze? Through out this reading, I find myself using Perspective a lot. I do this, because I always try to put myself in perspective to Jurgis, and his family's life. I always just think how much America has changed in such a short period of time. But what I think is really interesting is that we still have some of these things going on in America, so my question is when do you think this will stop, and what can we do to change it.
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Crystal
10/28/2013 01:26:24 pm
I like how you tried to get into Jurgis' character and mindset while reading. It might even help better understand the character and scenarios. The quote you chose was a beautiful choice and I like the relation you used towards the end. :)
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Grady Gumner
10/28/2013 03:55:12 pm
Which problems do you believe are still prevalent in America today. To answer the question, I believe that as long as you live in a capitalistic society these issues will always persist. This can mean people either have to accept the problems as being permanent, or socialize their economy/society.
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Crystal Delgado
10/28/2013 01:22:23 pm
"Jurgis could see all the truth now-could see himself through the whole long course of events, the victim of ravenous vultures that had torn into his vitals and devoured him; of fiends that had racked and tortured him, mocking him, meantime, jeering in his face."
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Cole Sargent
10/28/2013 02:03:36 pm
I like the analogy you made with the workers being put back out onto the street equipped with venom to further poison mankind. Interesting analysis!
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Sarah
10/28/2013 02:25:38 pm
Very thoughtful reflection! I like your questions at the end.
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Sarah Hardin
10/28/2013 02:42:19 pm
I love your analysis:) We're definitely seeing Jurgis' character develop with every page!
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Ryan Novak
10/28/2013 01:25:39 pm
"Jurgis could see all the truth now, could see himself through the whole long course of events, the victim of ravenous vultures that had torn into his vitals and devoured him; of fiends that had racked and tortured him, mocking him, meantime, jeering in his face." Chapter 18
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Adrian Schnepp
10/28/2013 02:02:05 pm
I don't know if it represents Capitalism so much as the butchered interpretation of complete monopolies that is American during the turn of the century. Capitalism is merely an economic model, it is the actions and wills of men that corrupt such engines and wreck horror on the world.
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Andrew Ledezma
10/28/2013 05:11:26 pm
I like your connection to the capitalist society of America. I think that the story might be sad intentionally to leave the reader feeling a hatred of American capitalism. I liked the connection and I like the overlap with significance!
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Julz Valencia
10/28/2013 01:43:25 pm
"Jurgis looked twice, bewildered; then he glanced at the house next door and at the one beyond--then at the saloon on the corner. Yes, it was the right place, quite certainly--he had not made any mistake. But the house--the house was a different color!" Chapter 18
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Meranda Knowles
10/28/2013 01:50:36 pm
I totally understand what you are saying! I do it all the time! Especially the sleepover part. It was a unique reflection and I didn't even think about connecting to the book in this way.
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Erik Salazar
10/28/2013 02:55:06 pm
I really like the connection you made with this quote, it takes a whole different perspective of the book. It kind of explains the psychology behind the book which I really like.
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Tess Herzog
10/28/2013 03:37:55 pm
You made a really good connection to yourself and how you would feel in situations like Jurgis's. It is something that a lot of people can relate to, not in the exact situation, but similar like you described.
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Meranda Knowles
10/28/2013 01:48:19 pm
"And so the other women turned out the contents of their pocketbooks; most of them had only pennies and nickels, but they gave him all. Mrs. Olszewski, who lived next door, and had a husband who was a skilled cattle butcher, but a drinking man, gave nearly half a dollar, enough to raise the whole sum to a dollar and a quarter."
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Adrian Schnepp
10/28/2013 01:59:42 pm
A dollar and a quarter is enough for right now, ti buy themselves a little time and hang on for a bit longer. Will it happen again? Should they again find themselves in so dire a situation, can they count on innate human kindness to save them? Will things turn out ok in the end, are there rainbows and butterflies in store for the family? Weeee shaaaaall seeee....
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Malia M.
10/28/2013 02:23:45 pm
Great post! I also thought it was hopeful how generous his neighbors were. It made me consider how that contrasted with the generosity of Jurgis and Ona's wedding guests.
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Adrian Schnepp
10/28/2013 01:56:51 pm
"She has been trying to get other work," the boy went on; "but she's so weak she can't keep up. And my boss would not take me back, either--Ona says he knows Connor, and that's the reason; they've all got a grudge against us now"
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Cole Sargent
10/28/2013 02:06:16 pm
I think it's a miracle they've made it this far in the first place, and I doubt any of Jurgis' family have much to lose after the house is gone (and Ona too). Great analysis, Adrian!
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Alex Demos
10/28/2013 03:17:17 pm
I was also curious to the thought of "what would happen if things were set differently?" I wonder what would happen if the events that take place within the book changed so that Jurgis was left with a little more ease during his trial. Would they be have been able to get themselves back on their feet or would the conditions stay the same overall for the family?
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Meilani
10/28/2013 01:59:51 pm
"I did not want-to do it." she said; "...I only did it-to save us. It was our only chance."..."And now you will kill him-you-you will kill him-and we shall die."
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Rachel Deaton
10/28/2013 02:02:14 pm
"The fellow seems to have handled you pretty roughly. Thirty days and costs. Next case."
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Hannah
10/28/2013 11:24:07 pm
Rachel- Your reflection is truly sincere! I agree with your thoughts on the facts, and I understand your emotions. I wind up getting a pang in my heart and want them to smile for once.
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Cole Sargent
10/28/2013 02:22:40 pm
“Ten thousand curses upon them and their law! Their justice—it was a lie, it was a lie, a hideous, brutal lie, a thing too black and hateful for any world but a world of nightmares. It was a sham and a loathsome mockery. There was no justice, there was no right, anywhere in it—it was only force, it was tyranny, the will and the power, reckless and unrestrained! They had ground him beneath their heel, they had devoured all his substance; they had murdered his old father, they had broken and wrecked his wife, they had crushed and cowed his whole family; and now they were through with him, they had no further use for him,” (Sinclair 175). I connected the perspective habit of mind to this quote, because it made me wonder what kind of immense wealth the bosses had amassed over all this time. It reminded me of something I read a long time ago, related to the founding of currency, and made me realize that these corrupt men had created a way to practically live off of other people without them realizing it. Without currency, the workers would obviously know they were bringing their bosses food and luxuries, but with currency, the fact went completely under their noses. The bosses had to do literally nothing, and they would amass pile after pile of money, to spend on their desires and needs on a moment’s whim. What was life like for the middle and upper classes during this period and in this area of Chicago? Was there even a middle class at all?
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Malia M.
10/28/2013 02:27:11 pm
I found that sad, that the workers didn't seem to realize the bosses were taking advantage of them until way too late. Though there was a middle class at this time in America, there definitely wasn't one in the Chicago stockyards. The people only worked there to survive or save up to get out.
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Sarah
10/28/2013 02:28:49 pm
Interesting analysis, Cole! I liked that you connected your own thoughts to the family's perspective. Your quote was one of those earth-shattering realizations Sinclair likes to slip into his writing to make it great.
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Sarah
10/28/2013 02:29:22 pm
"'But I can work!' Jurgis exclaimed, 'I can earn money!'
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Sarah Hardin
10/28/2013 02:47:47 pm
Great analysis, Sarah!(woah, feels like I'm talking to myself). I definitely agree with your thoughts, here. Jurgis' struggles of integrity and morality are so very human, and I think we can all relate to him! He did what he thought was right, but at what cost?
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Justin Walker
10/28/2013 03:21:33 pm
I do have to say, this analysis was excellent! The points raised were well represented and Jurgis's perspective, along with that of Ona and her family is detailed well.
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10/28/2013 03:46:28 pm
This is a great analysis. I agree with everyone on this one. I have the same though as you did in thinking of why he should of been put in jail for something innocent.
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Rachel Maristela
10/28/2013 04:06:28 pm
I really agree with Jurgis questioning his integrity. I've been feeling that as I was reading the book and it makes me wonder how he will cope up with everything that he lost, how he will find a way to gain it back. Great analysis!
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Max Klein
10/28/2013 02:29:38 pm
"Jurgis could see all the truth now-could see himself through the whole long course of events, the victim of ravenous vultures that had torn into his vitals and devoured him; of fiends that had racked and tortured him, mocking him, meantime, jeering in his face."
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Erik Salazar
10/28/2013 03:06:57 pm
I agree with how you say that the time he spends in prison is a realization that life is not what it is said to be. I wonder if this will change his actions once he tries to return for work.
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Alex Demos
10/28/2013 03:13:08 pm
I also felt the same when I read this section of the book. I feel as though Jurgis has finally reached his all time low in life. As though he hit "rock bottom." I'm wondering if the events that take place within the book can get any worse, and if he really has hit "rock bottom."
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Karen
10/28/2013 04:04:12 pm
Good job! I agree that Jurgis going through this hardship changed his perspective in a way and he finally realized that what they're going through isn't worth it.
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Hayes Sherr
10/28/2013 06:55:51 pm
Great job! I am also curious what Jurgis decides would be best for his family.
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Malia M.
10/28/2013 02:29:57 pm
"And they could do nothing, they were tied hand and foot--the law was against them, the whole machinery of society was at their oppressors' command! If Jurgis so much as raised a hand against them, back he would go into that wild-beast pen from which he had just escaped!"
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Jackson Walker
10/28/2013 02:33:08 pm
"Into this wild-beast tangle these men had been born without their consent, they had taken part in it because they could not help it; that they were in jail was no disgrace to them, for the game had never been fair, the dice were loaded." (pg. 137)
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Sarah Hardin
10/28/2013 02:38:48 pm
"He wouldn't allow it. Thinking about it would make it no better."
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Rachel Maristela
10/28/2013 04:10:03 pm
I agree! Duane's character was probably one of my favorites in the book so far. I admire the way he thinks about life by just living it and enjoying it, despite the challenges that are there. Great post! (:
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Alex Demos
10/28/2013 03:07:55 pm
"He could hardly grasp the thing -- much less try to solve it; but a hundred wild surmises came to him, a sense of impending calamity overwhelmed him."
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Grady Gumner
10/28/2013 03:14:34 pm
"He turned to the plaintiff, inquiring 'Is there any truth in this story, Mr. Connor?'
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Justin Walker
10/28/2013 03:16:06 pm
I felt that this was an excellent examination from a vital portion of the reading. Fortunately, the bias within our legal system is slightly lower than in the 1900's.
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Justin Walker
10/28/2013 03:14:44 pm
"He smote his hands upon his forehead, cursing himself because he had ever allowed Ona to work where she had, because he had not stood between her and a fate which everyone knew to be oh so common."
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Erik Salazar
10/28/2013 03:18:16 pm
"Jurgis had had enough to eat in the jail, and the work had been the least trying of any that he had done since he came to Chicago."
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Sophia Kormanik
10/28/2013 03:28:56 pm
“There were hardened criminals and innocent men too poor to give bail; old men, and boys literally not yet in their teens. They were drainage of the great festering ulcer of society; they were hideous to look upon, sickening to talk to. All life had turned to rottenness and stench in them-love was beastliness, joy was a snare, and god was an imprecation. “
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Hannah
10/28/2013 11:54:19 pm
Sophia- I think you had a great personalized evaluation of this quote. I really like how you chose connection as your hoham because it was the first thing you tied this quote to. Great job! :)
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Trevin Kraus
10/29/2013 04:07:04 am
I have to agree with Hannah. I really like the way you made a deep personal connection to the passage. I think by making a personal connection you view the story in a different light.
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Tess Herzog
10/28/2013 03:31:56 pm
“This wasn’t a world in which a man had any business with a family; sooner or later Jurgis would find that out also, and give up the fight and shift for himself.”
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Grady Gumner
10/28/2013 03:52:21 pm
I really like the quote you chose, it really is a powerful quote in the overall context of the story. How does it fall under cooperation? I personally don't see a connection.
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Chelsea
10/28/2013 03:43:06 pm
"...she was wrecked and ruined because of it; and so was he, who had been a big, strong man three years ago, and now sat here shivering, broken, cowed, weeping like a hysterical child. Ah! they had cast their all into the fight; and they had lost, they had lost! All that they had paid was gone--every cent of it. And their house was gone--they were back where they had started from, flung out into the cold to starve and freeze!"
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10/28/2013 03:43:12 pm
Quote: "Jurgis could see all the truth now-could see himself through the whole long course of events, the victim of ravenous vultures that had torn into his vitals and devoured him; of fiends that had racked and tortured him, mocking him, meantime, jeering in his face."
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Jordan Garcia
10/28/2013 03:54:57 pm
" He did not look to be over twenty-two or three, though, as Jurgis found afterward, he was thirty. He spoke like a man of education, like what the world calls a "gentleman." "
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Trey Lewis
10/28/2013 03:55:03 pm
"Being sent to jail had apparently not disturbed his cheerfulness; he had "done time" twice before"
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alura polese
10/28/2013 03:56:13 pm
"And, for this, at the end of the week, he will carry home three dollars to his family, being his pay at the rate of five cents per hour-just about his proper share of the million and three quarters of children who are now engaged in earning their livings in the United States."
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Karen
10/28/2013 04:01:52 pm
I really liked what you said about that quote. It also put a picture in my head in which I could interpret different ways every time.
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Rachel Maristela
10/28/2013 03:58:55 pm
"Jurgis could see the truth now- could see himself, through the whole long course of events, the victim of ravenous vultures that had torn into his vitals and devoured him;" Chapter 18
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Karen
10/28/2013 04:00:11 pm
Quote: " It was as if his family had been wiped out of existence;"
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John Laine
10/28/2013 04:16:11 pm
"Rented it!" panted Jurgis. "I bought it! I paid for it! I own it!And they--my God, can't you tell me where my people went?"Chp. 18(about 3/5 from the end)
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John
10/28/2013 04:24:46 pm
"Jurgis could see all the truth now--could see himself, through the whole long course of events, the victim of ravenous vultures that had torn into his vitals and devoured him; of fiends that had racked and tortured him, mocking him, meantime, jeering in his face."
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Abby T
10/28/2013 04:51:29 pm
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Andrew Ledezma
10/28/2013 05:08:06 pm
"My home!" he half shrieked. "I lived here, I tell you."
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Jessica Pollock
10/28/2013 05:48:41 pm
"Being sent to jail had apparently not disturbed his cheerfulness; he had "done time" twice before, it seemed, and he took it all with a frolic welcome." ch. 17
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Hayes Sherr
10/28/2013 06:50:26 pm
"Jurgis nodded. Then, suddenly recollecting, he put his hand into his pocket and drew it out, shaking. “Here,” he said, holding out the fourteen cents. “Take this to them.”
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Chris dang
10/28/2013 10:19:32 pm
Jurgis had had enough to eat in the jail, and the work
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Hannah O'Connell
10/28/2013 11:49:40 pm
Quote/Phrase: "They could tell the whole hateful story of it, set forth the inner soul of a city in which justice and honor, women's bodies and men's souls, were for sale in the marketplace, and human beings writhed and fought and fell upon each other like wolves in a pit; in which lusts were raging fires, and men were fuel, and humanity was festering and stewing and wallowing in its own corruption. Into this wild-beast tangle these men had been born without their consent, they had taken part in it because they could not help it; ... the game had never been fair, the dice were loaded." ch 17
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Carly
10/29/2013 02:56:55 am
""What will my family do?" he cried frantically. "I have a wife and baby, sir, and they have no money--my God, they will starve to death!"
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Jessica Boensch
10/29/2013 02:58:41 am
"Not a particle, your Honor," said the boss. "It is very unpleasant—they tell some such tale every time you have to discharge a woman—"
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Rilind
10/29/2013 03:11:10 am
"They put him in a place where the snow could not beat in, where the cold could not eat through his bones; they brought him food and drink-why, in the name of heaven, if they must punish him, did they not put his family in jail and leave him outside-why could they find no better way to punish him than to leave three weak women and six helpless children to starve and freeze?"
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Preston
10/29/2013 04:59:37 am
Quote: “Their home! Their home! They had lost it! Grief, despair, rage, overwhelmed him—what was any imagination of the thing to this heartbreaking, crushing reality of it”
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Sabrina
10/29/2013 12:28:56 pm
"He spoke like a man of education, like what the world calls a "gentleman."
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Quentin Jackson
11/16/2013 01:37:07 pm
they were working people, poor people, whose money was their strength, the very substance of them, body and soul, the thing by which they lived and for lack of which they died.
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