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Justin Walker
2/27/2014 10:54:56 am
The reading "The Things They Carried" really stuck me because of its constant use of repetition; this idea of equipment carrying weight and how it varied per person. However, the weight was not exclusively in physical form, manifesting as psychological weight and how the soldiers would waste rations and ammunition along with carrying small trinkets to help them remember who they were. However, I was somewhat baffled over how the main character said that Lavender's death was his fault; it seemed that being shot was Lavender's own problem and not really Jimmy's error. Regardless, him "waking up" and removing some of his psychological weight and dedicating himself to becoming a better leader felt fitting. With this new focus, Jimmy seems that he's far better equipped to shoulder the burdens of flesh and mind.
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Xochitl Aguinaga
2/27/2014 12:54:28 pm
I agree with you that Jimmy's response isn't necessarily logical, but I think his guilt/sadness over Lavender's death comes from the realization that he didn't care about Lavender--it was Jimmy's responsibility to lead Lavender, but he cared more about Martha, who is thousands of miles away, than watching over "his men".
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Malia
2/27/2014 11:21:16 am
Think - I thought Kiowa's perspective was very interesting. He was not necessarily hardened by war; he was numbed. When Lavender died, all he mostly felt was joy to be alive. I think this selfish survival mode is something we can all relate to. When we become consumed in our ow worries, we forget to think of others. Eventually, people can become close to incapable of thinking of others. Kiowa's numbness wasn't exactly his fault because of the war conditions. It is good that he was at least able to recognize the correct emotion.
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Xochitl Aguinaga
2/27/2014 12:56:23 pm
It's interesting to see how each of them respond to the atmosphere of the war in very different ways.
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Sabrina
3/3/2014 01:06:45 am
I liked how you were able to both note the negative in this reading, and also find the positive and light like Martha being a poet. Great Job!
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Sarah Olson
2/27/2014 12:16:16 pm
"He was just a kid at war, in love"
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Xochitl Aguinaga
2/27/2014 12:46:57 pm
Think-I had read this book prior to having this assignment, and in large part this book and Slaughterhouse Five has really shaped how I view soldiers. I believe in our society we place those who serve in the military on some type of pedestal, they are noble heroes making the "ultimate sacrifice", but in many ways this view is very skewed. These soldiers are young men and still displaying the behavior of a young person--weak, awkward, and unprepared for war.Despite this they are still faced with the brutalities of war and are somehow supposed to be grown-up and brave in how they deal with it.
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Karen B
2/27/2014 03:30:41 pm
This reading made me feel empathetic and thankful for what I have. The cold nights, and horrible situations they were put through at war were unimaginable. When they were put through situations they were not ready or prepared for and had to sort of adapt and get forcefully get through it, is like high school. When Mitchell put his hand on the dead boys wrist, it represented a turning point in his life because this was another tragic experience adding up to the others. Starting to see more and more how hard life is for these people.
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Paris Gramann
2/27/2014 04:04:12 pm
Peom:
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Vivian Mason
3/2/2014 06:59:40 am
I love your use of visuals directly from the passage. Also I really enjoy the last line: "too young. too young." I love the way it sounds. I am a little confused however if you are allowed to do a poem.. Overall beautiful piece :)
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Salina Brice
3/2/2014 12:52:53 pm
I love that you wrote a poem. I really like the part "The memories of their sufferings" I feel this applies to a lot of the characters.
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Brianna Barboza
3/1/2014 06:17:04 am
When one thinks of soldiers, the words "brave" "tough" and "cool" come to their heads. But what about "sorrow" "poor" and "sacrifice"? These men are called "Heroes of War" right? The real question is: do they feel like heroes?
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Anthony W.
3/1/2014 07:30:03 am
This reading really opens people's eyes to the fact that we all have our burdens to carry, and that some of them are heavier than others. It shows that no matter who you are, there is a burden that you have to carry, and that there is always more to a person that just their outer features and how others may see them. These burdens may go without being spoken about, or they may even be passed on to others to carry, or they may pass as time goes on, whether it be death or other means, these burdens will pass one way or another, but there is no denying that they are there
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Jackson Walker
3/1/2014 08:38:20 am
When talking about the Vietnam war, or more specifically the men who fought in it, there are two ways of looking at it. The first approach is to quantify the atrocities that were committed: foreign casualties, villages burned, even rape and pillaging. These things were committed by soldiers of the U.S. army. The other, perhaps opposite perspective is through the soldiers eyes. Men were transported thousands of miles away from their home to a place they had never been, with an environment that vastly contrasted to the one they were used to, and then told to kill people or be killed, and the only way out was to succeed or die. This approach to the war is what the short depicts. It takes you inside the heads of the men who were trapped. I believe that being put in this situation- of intense physical strain, tactical anxiety, and limited pleasures, without being informed of the overall status of the war- causes mental torture. Whether this is justification for the events that occurred within the eyes of the first approach to the Vietnam War remains a question unanswered. No one can quantify the damage done to innocent men, women, and children of Vietnam in a comparable way to the stress endured by the men who committed the atrocities. However, one can look at what lead to both of the events happening, usually concluding with faulty and corrupt politics.
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Meilani
3/2/2014 01:57:35 am
Its easy to dehumanize anyone, especially if you haven't had their experiences. I think that the reason someone wrote this was because while people were so focused on the horrible things done, they forgot that these were people and they had to do to anything to survive. Kiowa mentioned that 'you had to be there' for Ted's death and how it was so unlike anything he had seen before. Everyone seems to be growing numb to the war and desperately holding onto anything that will help them survive, which is anything they're holding.
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Salina Brice
3/2/2014 12:54:05 pm
Great reflection, I feel the same way its sad to think about how war numbs you.
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Jordan Garcia
3/2/2014 03:29:37 am
I feel that this was Jimmy's time to let go and move on. Every soldier has that one thing that keeps them going when they are away from home and in this case, Jimmy's was martha. As I kept reading, I knew that he was going to have to stop pretending and focus on where he is and eventually get over it, and that is eventually what ended up happening. It is just sad to me that it took one of his men (Ted Lavender) to get shot in the head for Jimmy to finally feel the impact of this issue. After the " Rock Fell ", it not only put a toll on jimmy, but it put an impact on others such as Kiowa who was very descriptive about the moment Ted died. At the end of the day, I think that Jimmy will be much better off knowing that he no longer has to hold on to whats not really there.
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Grady Gumner
3/2/2014 05:03:54 am
The repetition of this story really stuck with me. The narrator explains how every man carries, or "humps", his equipment around and how each item's weight is precisely measured. Every man carried different things with him. For Ted Lavender it was his dope. Kiowa always had his New Testament with him. After a while the repetition started to annoy me as a reader but I understood the narrator's message: every person carries something with them. Whether it is tangible item for pleasure to get you through a situation or the thought of something back home, every person carries something (physical or psychological). At the end of the story when First Lieutenant Jimmy Cross let go of his obsession with Martha, he was more focused on living in the moment and taking his job more seriously. I think this definitely goes to show that holding something dear to you can consume your life as it did with Jimmy Cross.
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Sophia .K.
3/2/2014 05:05:38 am
This reading has really opened my eyes about how you should be grateful for the things we have. We don't stop to look around how great we have things in our world. The reading we get the oppurtunity to read and learn about the past and how people didn't have the greatest of things but they made the best of things.
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Lance Shuler
3/2/2014 05:51:04 am
I personally found this reading to be very interesting. What it goes over is the true lives of what it is like to be a soldier. When people think of war or soldiers, we simply think of people keeping our country safe and defending it. When we see them kill people, or other soldiers, we root for them. When we see them fall, we feel a little pity. That is what this goes over though, that everyone has a backstory in war. They all have things they carry, and who they kill or get killed by, destroyes the backstories that they carry. This reading does a good job explaining what the soldiers think, and what they hope for. They care for each other, and feel pity for the ones they lose. That is what I find interesting, being able to find out what it was truely like to be a soldier. Your fears, your worries, your hate. Everything they leave behind for, and they can only carry so much.
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Katie
3/2/2014 06:12:57 am
Reading about how they carried everything was interesting because he didn't just talk about the physical things they had to carry but about the emotional moments as well. The guilt and the memories. He gave a new perspective on being a soldier. He brought forth the idea that they did it all to escape embarrassment, to not be a coward in the eyes of the nation. There was no real purpose to their missions, as he said they just marched, carrying pounds of grief and regret as well as their gear. They were thrust into a war that had no point, no purpose.
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Sophia C.
3/2/2014 09:21:11 am
I really agree that they seemed to move through the war with no real purpose, doing things just to not show their true feelings.
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Ysabella Dawson
3/2/2014 06:23:41 am
Perspective: I thought that this reading showed a very different perspective on American soldiers during the Vietnam War. Up until this point, we’ve seen many perspectives showing the Americans as heartless murderers, but here we see them as weary people who have too much to bear. They had to carry not only the physical equipment, which I probably couldn’t even lift for more than a few minutes, but also the psychologically harrowing experiences that had unfolded before them. Some of them carried the thoughts of loved ones that they missed, others the stark reality that stretched before them as they trekked through the jungle on the orders of others.
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Meranda K
3/2/2014 12:19:09 pm
I didn't even think of this point but I completely agree with you! They were just men, not heartless killers.
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Tess Herzog
3/2/2014 06:27:54 am
“Men killed and died because they were embarrassed not to.”
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Adrian Schnepp
3/2/2014 06:40:19 am
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Meranda K
3/2/2014 12:17:46 pm
I definitly agree with you that it felt like it was detached. I also think that your reflection was really well done.
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Jessica Boensch
3/2/2014 07:11:10 am
The quote that stood out to me the most (sorry it's fairly long) in the text was, "They shared the weight of memory. They took up what others could no longer bear. Often, they carried each other, the wounded or weak. They carried infections. They carried infections." "They carried diseases, among them malaria and dysentery. They carried lice and ringworms and leeches and paddy algae and various rots and molds. They carried the land itself- Vietnam, the place, the soil- a powdery orange-red dust that covered their boots and fatigues and faces. They carried the sky. The whole atmosphere, they carried it, the humidity, the monsoons, the stink of fungus and decay, all of it, they carried gravity."
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Vivian Mason
3/2/2014 07:20:49 am
Jess, I couldn't agree with you more on your quote choice. Your reflections sums it up beautifully also. If I had to give you some critique I would ask you to expand more on the materialist list. If someone was reading this who had not read the passage, they would not be able to connect as well. Over all truly beautiful piece :)
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Vivian Mason
3/2/2014 07:14:20 am
It has been said that when you read something with characters you automatically put faces to there names and give them background stories if there are non. As I read this piece I kept attempting to imagine myself in there shoes for a day. I began to wonder about each mans unique background or what there story was. Through thinking about this it brought me to begin to think about myself, under the right circumstances would I have opted to do this? Would I have been physically able? Would I have been chosen to check the tunnels? It was through asking myself this that I came to respect these characters even though they committed terrible acts of injustice. I wonder now how this story ended and what makes a person strong enough mentally and physically to endure this.
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Carly
3/2/2014 08:25:32 am
I think the style that "The Things They Carried" was interesting. It was very matter-of-fact, and read as if someone was speaking the story. Things were mentioned that hadn't happened yet, and it used a vocabulary that you don't normally hear in written works. The way that the author listed off the things that the soldiers had to carry, where he listed individual items rather than grouping them, made it tedious to read. It helped me visualize all of the weight that those men carried with them. Even more interesting was when among the physical items they had to walk with, he would throw in such things as "the weight of memory", or "the unweighed fear." I like how in doing this, the author accounted for the things that can feel heavy, even though they aren't physical.
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Cole Sargent
3/2/2014 08:28:04 am
After reading this I can only think that the Vietnam war must have been a horribly confusing and unnerving time. Men were drafted into horrible conditions, afraid to go home for fear of dishonouring their names or dispiriting their comrades. They had to become stoic, emotionless brutes, for the harsh jungle would not tolerate any form of weakness. They lived in a different world. One filled with waking dreams of times back at home in safety and warmth, and ideals of hope clung onto with all the strength of a leech. There were too many leeches in Vietnam. I feel like if these men were never drafted into the military their life would be completely different. They would never have to experience the horrors that war unearthed in the form of things like PTSD or the loss of a limb. It can only make me wonder what the lives of not only these men but the lives of the Viet-Minh would be like if we avoided this war. If we never took the innocent lives of both Americans or Vietnamese.
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Gage Gamboa
3/2/2014 08:59:45 am
An interesting recurrence throughout the reading was the repeated reference to the non-physical things that the soldiers carried. When describing all of the items they carried, O'Brien ends the list with: "plus the unweighted fear,". It was one of the greatest burdens they carried, and it was one that they could not simply discard of. Another excellent example of this was when O'Brien was listing all of their weapons and he wrote: "They carried all they could bear, and then some, including a silent awe for the terrible power of the things they carried."
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Sophia C.
3/2/2014 09:19:13 am
The repetition of the endless list of things they carried, interspersed with small snippets of events from the war, made the entire piece seem impersonal and almost unreal. As if what was happening had barely mattered at the time and could now be lost forever without causing a ripple. However, the guilt Jimmy carried, barely realizing he carried anything at all at first, then realizing he carried too much, then changing so the guilt went away, so the impersonal quality of it all left him carrying nothing again, was curious. I found he ended up much the way he had started, elsewhere. When he was thinking about how he would be now on, I couldn't help but think that even though he would be more invested in the war, he would also be taking a step away, putting up barriers. This circle, yet not a circle, story arch added a melancholy tone only felt at the very end.
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Alex Demos
3/2/2014 10:17:59 am
I found this reading very interesting, for I believe "The Things They Carried" were being described physically within the context, but portrayed a metaphorical aspect as to which each character represented. Each item that was described as something an specific character carried with them has a deeper meaning, like an added weight to their back that could leave them if they disposed of it physically, but stayed with them mentally. I noticed Jimmy had the most significant connection to the things he carried, for he kept pictures and letters from his "significant" other, whom he believed he loved, but was really the one thing holding him back from his full potential as a leader of his group of men. He felt "weight" come off his back when he burned the pictures and letters of Martha, knowing that his feelings toward her were not mutual. It helped wake him up from a trance that had kept him and his men in harms way, and had resulted with the death of one of his troops, Ted Lavender.
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Meranda K
3/2/2014 12:16:10 pm
I think that the way this book was written was extremely interesting. I read it once before in eighth grade, and it struck me then the same way that it struck me now. The repetition in the book made it interesting to read, but I love the way bits a pieces of their story were included, you just had to read more to find out. They mentioned several times about how Ted Lavender was shot in the head, but you had to keep reading to find out exactly what happened. I think it did a great job of bouncing back and forth between past and present, as well as there personal stories. Overall the book is written differently then any other book I've read (and I've read a lot) but I still think that it was well written.
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Rachel Maristela
3/2/2014 02:01:59 pm
I really agree with the repetition point, and I feel the same way on the way it was written!
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Salina Brice
3/2/2014 12:51:01 pm
"The Things They Carried" made me think about the emotional aspect that goes into fighting in a war. They talk about all of the objects the soldiers carry and how much it weights, I think its more importantly talking about the emotions and feelings they carry with them. Some of the men have become numb in order to stay alive and in reality. Jimmy Cross had to numb himself and burry any and all feelings he had of Martha. She was a great distraction he carried with him, but in order to survive he had to lighten his load.
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Tyler Felix
3/2/2014 12:57:09 pm
As I read "the things they carried" I noticed O'Brien using the literary technique of describing the soldiers' physical artifacts to introducing the novel's primary characters. The simple details he provides about objects that individuals carry is telling, and particular attention should be paid to these details because they foreshadow the core narratives that comprise the novel. This technique of cataloging the things the soldiers carry, make the characters seem more real to readers. I love the way O'Brien manages to capture what someone looks like inside my imagination.
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Trevin Kraus
3/2/2014 01:06:43 pm
I think that this story did good job portraying the real life of soldiers fighting in Vietnam. Often times we get to caught up in the political and economical side of a historical event, specifically war. This story does a good job talking about the real life struggles that each individual soldier faced. Talking about their good luck charms and there loved ones back home. It's important to remember that in any war there are real people that have real problems just like everyone else.
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Julz Valencia
3/2/2014 01:11:09 pm
Perspective: I thin that this story had so many different perspectives. One for each soldier it seems. Yes, obviously people have different perspectives, but this story portrayed each perspective and what each soldier thought about and the things they carried, and why they carried them. Along with that each soldier carried different things. Something because they had to, but other things because of there perspective. For example Lieutenant Cross carried around the letters Martha wrote and her photograph, this is because from his perspective those things were important. Where as Kiowa had luged around the New Testament because that from his perspective was worthy to carry around. So I think that perspective has a major role in this story.
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Ryan Novak
3/2/2014 01:14:10 pm
I couldn't help but keep thinking about how matter of fact the whole storytelling strategy was. How from beginning to end the author wrote the story in a very simple and factual way which was interesting considering the topic at hand. By describing something so emotional and sad as war the way he did, it helped me focus on what he was actually trying to convey which was the many things that troops carried in war and why. I found the many things the soldiers carried be really intersting. I also started to think about what I would carry superstituously but I don't think I would have. I relaly actually enjoyed this particular reading.
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Rachel Maristela
3/2/2014 01:58:56 pm
After reading "The Things They Carried," I couldn't stop thinking about the way the story was told. It was very emotional because of the way the narrator explained the many things that the soldiers carry with them while they are in the war. I think the soldiers carry these things to war because they don't know if they are going to survive in that war and that is like their prized possession. I was also really impressed by the way this story was written. I feel like it wasn't just written like an ordinary story, but also a mix with a little poetry in it. (I may be wrong, but yeah~)
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John Laine
3/2/2014 02:01:22 pm
I found it interesting how the writer wrote about the scars left from war and what the soldiers did to deal with the war with in them selves while they were on the battle field. It was very sad to read about what they were going through, when someone that they had grown accustom to would die with out warning, where they start to dream about shooting them selves in the foot just to get out of this war, where they would always miss what they left behind not knowing if they would make it back.
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Crystal Delgado
3/2/2014 02:22:52 pm
I think "the Things they carried" is very striking. It is very specific and very hard on detail about what is going on with the soldiers and what they carry on them as we'll sat he events. This makes me feel very shocked as to how heavy some of the things were an d how it was all divided up amongst men as well as some of the things they witnessed and carried on them. As in, one of the men carried the thumb of a dead boy they had found in a ditch somewhere as a sort of good luck charm- he had cut it off the corpse himself. This makes me wonder why his mind wanders so much to that Martha girl. I get he is homesick and also has a case of puppy love and Martha seemed to have been putting out mixed signals to him, or that is just how he interpreted it. However, in my opinion he is thinking of her a little too often and in very strange situations. (I.e. In a collapsed tunnel he imagined being crushed in their love, breathing her blood, etc.) I get he is 24 and has a crush but he is in the middle of a war with people depending on him, he should really try sorting his priorities. Luckily, he began to shut her out and told himself she belonged elsewhere than in his mind.
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Trey Lewis
3/2/2014 02:59:18 pm
I thought this was very interesting. We learn about the Vietnam War, we learn about many things. One thing we do not worry about is the things the soldiers had with them. Many people think the soldiers were corrupt people. They think their leaders giving them these orders are corrupt people without any soul. The one thing people never look at is how the soldiers felt, the soldiers conditions. These short stories show that soldiers really didn't have much with them, didn't have much to live for. The soldiers were the ones fighting the war, although they were really fighting the war to survive.
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John E.
3/2/2014 03:00:31 pm
I feel that the this was a very interesting reading. It crazy how lieutenant Jimmy Cross keeps him self striving in the war by fantasizing about martha. I feel that the things that the soldiers carry get them at sanity. They all need what they carry in order to help them stay themselves. In the time of war people start to change due to what they experience and what they go through. The things they carry is the way they cope with the war. I feel that when they use lavenders stuff and make fun of him it is kinda weird but they are around death everyday so this is there way of coping with it. It will be interesting to see what happens with the others as the story continues.
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Abby Thompson
3/2/2014 04:49:43 pm
I liked how in the beginning of the story, it told what all of the soldiers belongings were and showed how different each of them were not only in what their belongings were, but their personalities and interests as well, and then later on when it told the different kinds of weapons they all had. When I thought about soldiers in the past, I never thought about who they were, where they came from, or what they carried with them in war, and I don't think a lot of other people do either. I read a few of the other comments here and a lot of people mentioned how a lot of the things the soldiers in the reading carried with them were ways to sort of move on/cope with the war, such as Cross's picture of Martha and how he kept "escaping" the war to think about her, and that just makes me think that he wasn't the only soldier thinking about other things as well.
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Chelsea
3/2/2014 11:00:16 pm
I thought this reading did a really good job explaining how the lives of these soldiers were. Often times people don’t even think about these soldiers personal feelings, and just see them as soldiers fighting in war. Each one of these solders carried something that was meaningful to them, aside from their heavy equipment, which I thought was very interesting. Such as Lieutenant Cross, he carried memories of his love Martha. You could tell how most of these men were just young men, who were afraid and unsure of what they were doing. Each personal item the soldiers carried, was a distracting, and way to keep them going.
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Ryan M
3/2/2014 11:13:11 pm
Think- I think it was interesting how Tim was able to describe so much if the soldiers equipment. This was really able to paint a picture in my mind. I've noticed in some of the films of the Vietnam War, the soldiers aren't hardened by what they've been experienced, but they've been numbed. It seems like a sense of emotion is no longer living with that person anymore.
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Halee Robinson
3/2/2014 11:51:59 pm
I liked the continuity of the use of the word 'carried.' Throughout the story each man carried something, both physical and non-physical. It made me think about the fact that too many and too heavy thoughts or feelings can be as straining, or sometimes even more straining, than carrying the physical things.
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Lisa Valtierra
3/3/2014 12:25:40 am
This made me think about the soldiers in the war now. At first, the first few paragraphs reminded me of a movie that a saw a while ago about a solider who was in the war in Vietnam and he was American. He is so in love with a girl that, that is what keeps him alive, but unlike the solider in the movie, the man from the reading doesn't have the same luck.
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Sabrina
3/3/2014 01:05:15 am
I could only imagine the sense of confusion surrounding the time of the Vietnam War. Soldiers had to see or do some brutal things, and then were sent back home unable to have an outlet for their feelings. A classmate of mine did their bio project on PTSD, and one can only imagine how many soldiers had PTSD because so many of secrets that had to keep kept surrounding the war. I also felt in a way bad for the presidents at this time, for example Nixon. In a way he was responsible for directing the soldiers to feel this guilt, but someone had to make those descions. Finally I felt that Martha served as an escape for the soldier, because she was something bright, happy and hopeful that he could focus on when his surrondings were falling apart.
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Zane Smith-Awesom
3/3/2014 01:10:28 am
Significance: I find that there are so many signifigant things in this reading. The author uses a lot of repetition to emphasize things. He continuously repeats the things that the soldiers carry, and how much those things weigh. From my point of view this reppetition puts a lot of significance on each and every item that they carry, wether the item is significant for survival, or if that object is significant to the soldier for emotional reasons. Like how Lieutenant Cross carried Martha's letters around, even though these things added extra weight that he didn't need, he still carried them because they were significant to him.
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Erik Salazar
3/3/2014 01:37:39 am
I really get the perspective of a soldier through this reading. This did a perfect job of really bringing to life of what a soldier was like. He is not some war junkie who seeks the thrill of action. He loves comics and his family. He is a boy only a little older than I. The reading painted a face to this unknown person we refer to as a soldier. Here in the United States we hardly ever see our soldiers in service and this closed the gap between citizen and soldier
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chris dang
3/3/2014 02:26:20 am
After reading this I really got a perspective on the Vietnam war that my Grandfather never told me. He's a Vietnam war vet but he never talks about it. He had a wife at the time and was lucky enough to go back to here. I think almost all soldiers were the same way. Every soldier has a family and their own interests that they wanted to protect.
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Preston Royal
3/3/2014 02:31:02 am
Apparently my first one didn't upload so here is the second one.
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Shannon Carlson
3/3/2014 12:07:56 pm
This reading showed me that even though people lived in fear and the soldiers had to do and live through some terrible things that some of them found the best in each situation. It made me think of the soldiers who serve today and how blessed and fortunate that we have them. What really touched/shocked me was when Jimmy decided to not let his emotions get in the way and to guide his men.
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Quentin Jackson
3/10/2014 10:22:53 am
The way that this story shows the soldiers backstorys and lives, in such an interesting way as what they carry, is really unique, and I love it for that.
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